Saturday, June 10, 2006

Sensible Decision for Women Who Wish to be Mothers

Well who didn’t see this one coming.

Men continuing to play stupid and delay marriage long past the time of women’s peak fertility has been leading to drastic drops in the birth rates of most western countries. Of course men still continue to want casual sex, but few marriages result from these liaisons, even if a pregnancy occurs. Many women getting tired of waiting for men to commit just decided they couldn’t wait any longer (our biological time clock is simply not as long lasting as the male one) so they just began going ahead and having babies as single mothers.

AND in spite of the many statistical lies being bandied about these mothers, most of the children raised by them have done quite well.

Of course as many selfish people do when they decide they're not interested in something so no one else should be allowed to do it either, men then decided that even though they had turned their back on marriage and family for the last few decades women shouldn’t do anything successfully without them, so they created all these legal rights for themselves to the children of these never-married mothers. We have seen the results in many long-drawn out custody fights and abductions generated through the selfishness of men trying to give themselves undeserved rights to single mothers’ children.

Thus, this is an excellent idea to cut them off BEFORE they get any legal rights by encouraging women to use anonymous sperm donors. Clearly a nation facing severe declines in its birth rates due to the selfishness of one sex shouldn’t allow itself to fade into extinction when the other sex is perfectly willing to proceed alone. Women still wish to have children and just because men have decided its more fun to play the field until they are in their 50s doesn’t mean women should be excluded from starting the families this small nation NEEDS.

Making this service free to women is even a better idea. As using an anonymous sperm donor is the most simple and least invasive method of having children w/o a partner. You are not only ensuring a constant population rate for what was a small, dying society but you are NOT taking advantage of another human being by using donor sperm, as surrogate motherhood does by risking the physical and emotional health of the surrogate mother.

It’s a variation of the Hippocratic oath: First, do no harm, by doing the LEAST amount of harm.

Men will complain but they’ll get over it, they’ll just have to.

If they wish to change their behavior, fine, women will still be open to marriage with them I’m sure. But at least if they don’t change, women (and their nations) will not have to suffer by doing without children until men decide to finally grow up and act like responsible human beings BEFORE they are 50.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19346798-23109,00.html


Insemination rights for lesbians

From: Reuters

From correspondents in Copenhagen

June 02, 2006

DENMARK'S parliament on Friday passed a controversial law allowing lesbian couples and single women the right to free artificial insemination at public hospitals.

Most members of Denmark's centre-right government opposed the bill, which was proposed by the opposition, but several members of the governing Liberal party defied Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, ensuring its passage.

Mr Rasmussen, who voted against the proposal, supported a competing watered-down version that would have legalised artificial insemination for lesbians and singles at private clinics but made patients responsible for picking up the costs.

"As Prime Minister I have supported the Government's proposal and am therefore disappointed that our bill was not passed," Rasmussen told Danish media.

"But it was important to reach a decision. The issue has been discussed for many years and we wouldn't have gained anything from delaying a vote."

Gay and lesbian groups hailed the outcome of the vote and said adoption rights, still denied same-sex couples in Denmark, were next on their political agenda.

"It is a great victory," Mikael Boe Larsen, chairman of the Danish National Association for Gays and Lesbians said.

"After nine years of struggle people are almost euphoric, people are crying, and especially the lesbians are extremely happy since it is a governmental approval of their family form," he said.

Members of the Conservative junior coalition party and the government's political ally, the anti-immigrant Danish People's Party, deplored the outcome, saying every child has the right to a father. [Yeah right, tell that to the children who are never going to be born, as you slip away into extinction waiting for these fathers to commit. Morons…]

In 1989, Denmark passed a law allowing homosexuals to enter a registered partnership, giving them the same housing, pension and immigration rights as married, heterosexual couples. The country has about 3,000 registered same-sex couples.

91 comments:

Anonymous said...

For your information, women's peak fertility is between 16-25. What are women doing at such age? One thing is for sure: They're not looking for a husband. So instead of blaming men by not marrying women, blame women by squandering their better years in their search for a degree, playing the field and partying.

They want a husband only when they are in their thirties, most of them screwed by many men, embittered, old and ugly. Not many men want somebody like that, that's for sure.

Your "sperm donor" plan also depends on the good will of men. Piss off enough men, and your plan will crash.

Right now, the whole of Ireland has only ONE sperm donor, because of the new laws allowing for identification of the anonymous donor. And, since many other nations are on their way to have similar laws, very soon the "sperm donor" well is going to dry. Right now, there is scarcity of sperm in several other countries.

Where will you get the sperm for your brave, new world then?

You say that if men don't change their behavior, women will be affected. So if it's a women's problem, it depends on women to solve it. Perhaps if women change their behavior, men will go back to them. You see, the beauty of this struggle is that, to win, men simply need to do nothing but live their lives.

You can shout "selfish, selfish" until your tongue cracks, and we only need to turn up the volume in the radio to drown your cries.

NYMOM said...

"Right now the whole of Ireland has only ONE sperm donor, because of the new laws allowing for identification of the anonymous donor."

Well he'll have to do then.

Considering the size of Ireland's population and the technological advances in invitro fertilization, it's not impossible.

BTW, who told Ireland to pass that law anyway?

It was obviously a spite motivated law targeted at single women who wished to be mothers but hadn't found a partner yet and were getting too old to keep waiting.

So keep on with the spitefulness and you won't have any Ireland anymore.

Okay.

It's going to be other men who get sick of your stupid behavior by the way as you're on your way to destroying everything in their societies that took centuries to create.

So don't be surprised when you get the big smackdown by your governments who are still, for the most part, run by men.

When they get sick of your stupid a@@es.

Anonymous said...

And how these "other men" will give us the big smackdown?

Will they compel us to marry when we don't want to?

Will they compel us to give our sperm against our will?

Do you really think men will pass such laws, even less enforce them? Wars have been started for less, and no government in earth will risk such a response. More so, if those in charge of enforcing these laws -men themselves- will be victims of it.

Who told Scotland -not Ireland, my bad- to pass such law? Guess who: WOMEN who wanted to make sperm donors pay child support for such children. So, they made dangerous for men to be generous to women, so men stopped being so. Selfish? Self-preservation, instead.

And no "in vitro" advances will ever be successful without sperm, the basic ingredient, which cannot be duplicated nor substituted.

So you say our "stupid behavior" is destroying everything? What about women's stupid behavior that drove off men? Will this government -men, most of them- get sick of women's stupid behavior and give THEM the big smackdown, instead of men? Care to discuss about it?

And about being called a stupid ass... you assume we care. If we don't care,you have no power over us. And that's what women's behavior has done. A woman is calling us names? So what?

SM777 said...

I certainly don't care.

Heh...Heh.

NYMOM said...

"Who told Scotland to pass such law."

No it wasn't women it was men who agitated for that law. Talking all this trash about how important men were to families and how horrible single mothers were.

Women who want men to pay child support would simply not use sperm donors. That had NOTHING to do with that law being passed. It's a total red herring. That's the spin put on it now, so you don't have to admit why men really passed that law.

It was pure spite driven trying to stop single women from having children without one of you as an overseer. That's what all these statistical lies are about as well, that you men have been circulating about how horrible single mothers are.

Total bullcrap.

Over the next generation or two, I believe we will see many miniwars (hopefully small, contained wars), civil disorder, high crime rates in Asia as they messed up the ratio of men to women by using sonorgrams to identify and abort female babies.

They've got a shortage now of about 60 million women.

Other men in government and the intelligensia will see this chaos happening and compare Asia with western civilization, which is mostly women, peaceful, prosperous, pretty decent government.

Actually the biggest complaint most people have about single mothers is they produce too many male babies, who then go on to wreck havoc on society. So you better start reading between the lines of those sorts of comments, and realizing what exactly they mean.

Actually two books I've read lately one, by Robert Bly "Sibling Society" and the other by Steven E. Rhodes "Taking Sex Differences Seriously" BOTH mentioned that they noticed a high level of hatred directed against men when they were researching their books.

Thus, men in large numbers in any society are beginning to be seen as a negative.

AND it's no problem for women to vote for men in positions of power, even when we are in the majority. As has been proven over the last 40 years or so, women have no problem voting for men in leadership positions. Actually many women will vote for a man faster then another women. So, the alpha men in our society have nothing to lose as they can STILL hold their positions of power even in a predominantly female world.

If you look at it, it's actually quite natural. In nature most mammals have many females in herds, prides, pods, whatever and just a few alpha males, who mostly function to keep away the many beta males always trying to screw things up...

So what will they do?

I have no idea.

But if men continue with your endless agitation in every society from wars over nothing, to civil disorders over crap like soccer, to defying every policy and law that is put in place, even continuing all this custody and abduction crap to get out of paying child support. Quess what, other men are very imaginative and I'm sure they'll figure out a way to take care of their problem...

So you better start carefully re-considering your positions. Even bringing over this F4J crap from England was stupid. We have our own home-grown troublemakers here, we don't need to import any.

NYMOM said...

"I certainly don't care"

For somebody who claims not to care, you spend a lot of time going from blog to blog telling everyone about how you don't care.

Somebody who truly didn't care would not waste any time saying they don't care.

They just would not care and keep it to themselves.

So think about it.

Anonymous said...

Who cares? The world population is too high as it is. Pollution, peak energy/resources/water are just a few of the problems the world faces. Marriage is out dated and dead. Might as well enjoy casual relationships, after all, most children in Europe are born this way.

Besides, even if men don't get married in places like Europe, Australia and North America there is an endless supply immigrants coming over from places like the Middle East, Bangladesh, Northern Africa and South America which will more than make up for the single child and childless people there.

Besides most places like Europe will be Islamic in the future so seeing a change of races is a good thing.

So don't sweat it.

Anonymous said...

I'm the original anonymous, not the previous one. You see, you have a problem of perspective. You seem to believe that the law, only because it's the law, it's some kind of all-powerful shield. Well, it's not. The law is valid only when it is possible to enforce it. More so, the only thing that makes the law work at the individual level, is self-restraint. The same goes with votes: They are useful only when most of the people abides to them. If they decide not to, no amount of votes will be enough.

You said it yourself: There are many more male children now. What will be of them when they grow up? Will they say "I'm being as a negative and the law says I can't do anything, boo boo" or will they revolt? If there is a revolt, the few "alpha males" you mention will be overrun by the hordes of disgruntled, angry "beta males".

Those "miniwars" you mention, do you really believe women won't be the losers?

Is there a problem? Of course there is. Ok, you say men are imaginative and will figure out a way to take care of the problem. Now, why do you think this way will necessarily meant to subdue other men? As you know, women are a lot easier to subdue than men. Besides, there will be a lot more men than women to be subdued (check your 60 millions figure). Do you really think those "alpha males" will endanger themselves (see previous paragraph) by trying to take the more powerful foe? More so, when those in charge of enforce the "alpha males" decisions are "beta males" themselves? Or they will go after the weaker link, ergo WOMEN?

Anonymous said...

I'm sure you already read about that family court judge who was shot. Frankly, I'm surprised it didn't happen before.

And it illustrates my previous post: This judge was an "alpha male", shot by a "beta male" disgruntled because of a ruling that took his children from him. Did "the law" meant something for the shooter? No. Did "the law" protected the judge? No.

Don't you think other judges -and defendants- will think about it?

The judges will start to think twice before taking a man's children of him.

The guys who lose everything to the courts and figure they have nothing else to lose, will grab guns.

And "the law" won't mean a thing, because even if the killer is caught, the judge/family attorney/divorced wife will be still dead. And unless you are have a martyr's complex, you will prefer to avoid being killed.

NYMOM said...

"...the world's population is too high as it is..."

Not in the west, it isn't.

"Most places like Europe will be Islamic in the future"

Well at least Sharia law recognizes that young children should be with their mother up to the age of 7 or so. So that will put a crimp in your F4J carrying on. They'll probably start beheading you with a rusty sword when you try to abduct infants from their mothers like you do here. Actually Iran DOES have the death penalty for trying to abduct your kids out of the country.

NYMOM said...

"Now, why do you think this will necessarily meant to subdue other men..."

That's like telling me that we are going to solve the problem of nuclear weapons in Iran by invading Chicago. It just doesn't make any sense.

Men will target other men.

Why.

Because men are the problem, not women.

AND who said it will be by violence. I told you men have been very imaginative in the past with these sorts of issues. Even persuading women through propaganda or laws (since as you said women are easier to control) to start aborting male babies instead of female or even putting something in the water could have the desired impact.

These things don't generally come about overnight. AND just as men orchestrated these societies being primarily male today (because they thought it was a benefit) they can do the opposite tomorrow.

When technology replaces men in keeping a nation safe, then millions of aggressive men become a liability, not an asset. Large armies that use vast resources are no longer necessary.

Thus, you've put yourselves out of a job.

NYMOM said...

"The Judges will start to think twice before taking a man's children of him."

This incident is just another nail in mens coffin.

BTW, that shooting had NOTHING to do with children. It was about money, which most of this business is about today.

The man was angry about income being imputed to him for child support and a ring he wanted to get back from his ex-wife. He actually put his mother up to sueing his ex in court for it and the Judge was trying to persuade him to have the lawsuit dropped.

We don't even know what his visitation arrangement was or if it had anything to do with this.

So if men feel that child support guidelines are too high, fine. Let's address that issue and bring them down to a more workable level. But knock off this business about all this being about the children. It's no more about children then Bush's invasion of Iraq was about the freedom of the Iraq people.

NYMOM said...

I wish people who wish to post here would have the common decency to name themselves instead of all these anonymous commenters.

I don't mind an anonymous comment once in a while, but when even anonymous commenters feel the need to distinguish themselves one from another, I think it's a little much already.

I happen to think you don't want to identify yourselves because you are embarrassed. Some of you probably instigated getting me banned from other blogs and now are ashamed to admit you are posting on mine.

I warned you many times that you would get tired of talking to yourselves but you didn't listen.

Anonymous said...

the anonymous thing is only because i don´t wish to be flooded by spam. Perhaps next time I'll set up an email address for this kind of thing.

"because men are the problem, not women"? I disagree. The fact that you think men are the problem doesn't mean other men -men in power- will think the same. And even if they did, if they can solve the problem, faster and cheaper, by affecting women instead of men, they would do it. Men are selfish, remember?


Anyway, I wonder why do you think those millions of men who will become a liability, according to you, will fade quietly into the night. Such a thing has never happened in the history of mankind, and will not happen this time, either. Those millions of disgruntled men will become a powerful force, and will probably fight.

About that judge, it's all in the newspapers now: "he was shot because he took children, he took assets" they read. So, the word is out: He decided to destroy a man's life, and this man decided to put a bullet in his chest. The "beta males" are starting to strike back.

If you believe other judges and men won't think about this, you're wrong.

NYMOM said...

You can still sign off with a name, even if you post anonymously.

"...will fade quietly into the night..."

Just as 60 million women did in Asia. Did they put up a fight? No. They were quietly aborted because psychologically people were 'primed' to believe that men were more valuable then women.

What will happen when people start believing the opposite?

It's the doors closing quietly behind them that men seem upprepared to deal with. Not these huge bombing-dropping invasions, but people changing their minds about male aggression and beginning to not want to deal with it.

That's what the change in western civilization is really all about. Not feminism turning people against men but people starting to question the entire idea of male authority, male agression/competitiveness, the never-ending threats of violence to those around them.

It worked when society was always under threat of invasion from other men. It doesn't work today quite simply because times have changed and men have clearly not kept up with those changes.

"he was shot because he took children, he took assets"

I didn't read that yet. So it remains to be seen whether this was a Judge not following the law or another example of male aggression playing out when you don't get your own way.

I mean the guy had even gotten his mother involved with this having her file a lawsuit against his ex, so he could get the wedding ring back to sell. It's ridiculous involving your mother in something like that. I would have been embarrassed to involve my mother in that capacity during a divorce.

So we have to wait until the full story comes out.

AND yes, I believe other judges and men do think about this and guess what, it's will mean nothing good for other men when they do. You can't think that this sort of behavior will help your cause, that's for sure. People will get quite fed up with you if it contines.

Like I said even starting up this F4J over here was a stupid mistake. They were disbanded overseas because they were starting to attract a bunch of misfits and nuts. There was even talk of kidnapping Tony Blair's son from some of their adherents.

So yes, Judges and other men will think about this and it will mean nothing good for men who chose to continue affiliating with malcontents and misfits from other places.

Anonymous said...

Of course an aborted child can't put up a fight. I'm talking about those women-less men that are already here, growing up, with pent-up frustration and rage. Do you really think "law" will stop them, once they decide to rise and take what is being denied to them?

So you haven't read it yet? Well, here it is, so read it:

"It's speculation, but I would say it was the work of a disgruntled person," said Reno Justice of the Peace Harold Albright, a friend of Weller's. "Family court judges take people's children away and take property away. Those are such basic decisions that are very emotional."

"People will get quite fed up with you if it continues." You know what? You're right. People gets fed up. MEN get fed up. This guy is just the beginning.

"the entire idea of male authority, male agression/competitiveness, the never-ending threats of violence to those around them."
You said it yourself. Men are aggressive, competitive and violent. Women, in your idealized view, aren't. How do you plan to fight them?

And even if you were successful in turning all Western men into peaceful sheeps, it would only mean that the West would be defenseless against those societies -like the Islam and the Chinese- who kept their wolves untamed. THEN, you would be crying for those very men to fight and die defending "mothers and children".

Anonymous said...

1. "Well at least Sharia law recognizes that young children should be with their mother up to the age of 7 or so. So that will put a crimp in your F4J carrying on. They'll probably start beheading you with a rusty sword when you try to abduct infants from their mothers like you do here. Actually Iran DOES have the death penalty for trying to abduct your kids out of the country."


See you love Sharia law too! It is a good thing and once it spreads world-wide the planet will be a much happier and safer place for you! Islam is where the west is heading so it's great to see you support and promote it.


2. "...the world's population is too high as it is..."

Not in the west, it isn't. "

Sure the population of the west is well past it's carry capacity. Take the US, it imports 25 % of the worlds oil for a mere 5 % of the population. The US is a net food importer, net energy importer, net currency importer, largest debtor nation, on the planet (115 trillion in liabilities), net finished good importer .. well, you get the idea. The US in particular and the west in general is living well past its means.

According to HL (Hubbert Linerization) the Saudi Arabian oil fields are 58 % depleted and the worlds oil reserves are 48 % depleted. Many of the worlds largest oil fields are in decline - Saudi Arabia which has a decline rate of 8% and a water cut of 55% thru to Mexico (#2 oil exporter to the US) which may cease to be an oil exporter within 2 years.

So you see, just in terms of energy the US (and the westernized nations which depend on oil) are in for some major problems. And "alternatives" like "tar sands" only cause more issues than they solve.

So over all, taking peak energy/resources/water/food into account, why not allow the current UNSUSTAINABLE populations to die off?


Still great to see NYMOM is a avid supporter of Islam and Sharia law as they are much better!

Nat said...

"They want a husband only when they are in their thirties, most of them screwed by many men, embittered, old and ugly. Not many men want somebody like that, that's for sure."
So women are so "old and ugly", as soon as they reach their thirties? In average, women live about 85 years, so it is sad.
In that case, it is a wise choice of women to "squandering their better years in their search for a degree" if they are to be dumbed by their husband in their thirthies because they are too "old and ugly".
For an "old and ugly" woman, especially if she has children, it is as hard to start a carrier than to find a husband because society still judge women on their beauty and youth.
But this situation is beginning to change and women tend to get more respect than they had in the past.
I guess some men don't like that because it hurts their ego and this is why they throw their hate on young women who build a carrier or on women who are older than 25.

Anonymous said...

You´re wrong. Old and ugly are obstacles to get a husband, not to start a business or get a degree.

And a good husband -which it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to choose- will not dump you when you are in your thirties, and have a solid marriage of years.

Think about it. If you marry and have children early, let's say at 18, they will be able to take care of themselves when they're 14+, so you, at 32, will be still young enough and free to pursue a career and have many productive years. Moreover, you will be probably helped and encouraged by your husband and kids.

But if you wait until your thirties to have children, you have only 4-5 years left to find a man, have a relationship, marry and have children, before your bioclock starts to tick, and can't have children without medical help. And the guy you get probably won't be the best of the litter, because they go for the younger women.

Women will be always judged on their beauty and youth, men will be always judged on their provider skills. Is this disrespect? No, it's reality.

Nobody hates young women because they pursue a career. What we men hate is women who blame their own shortcomings and mistakes on men.

NYMOM said...

"Family court Judges take people's children away and take property away."

YET, I've heard nothing in the news about him having his children taken away. This ENTIRE fight seemed to be about property. He was imputed child support probably because he was trying to hide income to avoid paying it. As a jeweler this is pretty easy to do since you don't have a regular paycheck to monitor.

AND he was even trying to take back his ex wife's wedding ring to sell. He had even involved his mother in this, having her file a lawsuit against his ex-wife in order to get the ring back. So instead of his mother encouraging him to end this nonsense, she encouraged her son to continue it, even helping him try to get the ring back. Really she's responsible for encouraging her son to act like more of an ass.

So let's not give what appears to be a typical fight over money the label of being a fight about 'the children'. Many of you men get mad about property and then try to act like you're only concerned about 'the children'.

Regarding the rest of your post I don't know if you are stupid or just 'playing stupid' to pretend NOT to understand what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people changing their minds about the value and usefulness of having a male dominated society when it leads to NOTHING but endless wars over nothing with other states, high crimes rates @ home and these endless custody battles you men have now instigated over the last decade or so, in your ongoing attempts to get out of paying child support.

YOU are all collectively responsible for MOST of the chaos that goes on in family court today, as it was never equipped to deal with every divorce involving children to morph into an ongoing years long custody battle.

Regarding this 'fight' you keep referring to between men and women we don't have to 'fight' you in order to end this crap, but just start aborting male babies, like what they did in Asia with girls.

BTW, don't give me this crap about Asia keeping their wolves 'untamed'.

That's total bullcrap.

Actually I work with many young men from different countries and find them better mannered, more polite and less troublesome then American men of the same age.

This is a myth that you have created about how wonderful western man is compared to his counterpart in other societies. You are actually the most arrogrant and troublesome men in the world. That is why I mentioned the Sharia example, as nowhere else in the world do men not recognize and respect the mother/child bond, except in the west. You have all recently even started this phony public campaign against breast feeding. Again pretending to be concerned about children getting environmental toxins in mothers' milk when in fact what the campaign is really about western men being jealous of the mother/child bond and trying to interfere with it by discouraging breast feeding.

You are all a bunch of jackasses actually, not good men at all, although you have tried to paint yourselves as being better then men in other countries with your propaganda and lies...

NYMOM said...

BTW, stop with this bullcrap about how you start wars to: defend women and children. Men here do not start wars half a world away to 'defend women and children'. You start those wars to steal the resources of other countries.

That's what those wars are about.

The bottom line is that before those men crashed into the World Trade Center the west was over there messing with them for YEARS...it's about oil, nothing else. Don't try to use the excuse of defending women and children for starting another war with those people.

I have to look at male behavior HERE in these ongoing 'custody wars' you've all started and judge your actions by that. Thus I say your behavior at home is not consistent with the actions of men concerned about women OR children...so it's just more propaganda and bullcrap.

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NYMOM said...

Western civilization is not unsustainable. Actually our modern civilization is far more sustainable then many other civilizations. Let's face it, if we had to we could be totally self-sufficient. It's actually to encourage world trade to less properous countries that we buy so much from other places.

We could feed, cloth and provide ALL of what we need ourselves if we had to but then what would happen to countries like Mexico or Haiti, for instance, if we stopped propping them up by buying what is mostly useless to us, as we can grow and make everything we buy from them ourselves. Then they would be able to buy NOTHING of ours. AND what we have to sell is far more valuable products like medicines, electronics, cars, etc., since they CANNOT make or grow these things themselves.

Thus the industrialized world is far more valuable to these smaller countries then they are to us.

Let's not get into that whole end of western civilization scenario again. We went through it in the 60s/70s with the end of growth doomsday scenario and it's been proven wrong over and over again.

So it's a waste of time to keep bringing it up.

AND quit distorting my comments on Sharia. I simply pointed out that it's interesting that a mother can expect better treatment from the average run of the mill terrorist in the Islamic world then from western men who keep trying to paint themselves as the most enlightened, progressive men that ever walked the face of the earth. So much better then everyone else on the planet.

When in fact, you are NOT.

NYMOM said...

"You are wrong. Old and ugly are obstacles to get a husband not to start a business or get a degree."

Well even that many people would dispute. Women are judged by how they look no matter what they do. That includes starting a business or getting a job. As what use is a degree but to get a job? The degree by itself confers nothing.

"If you marry and have children early, let's say at 18."

With the divorce rate at such high levels (many marriages ending at the 5 or 7 year mark) you are likely to be divorced somewhere between 23 and 25. With no education and EVERY divorce now involving a custody fight you stand a good chance of losing your children.

You'd be lucky to see them again if you couldn't afford to pay the child support you'd be imputed as even stay-at-home mothers today who NEVER worked have to pay child support when they lose custody. Judges impute it to them.

Actually California has more women then men paying imputed child support now. Imputed income was supposed to be used to assess income to people who were hiding REAL income and assets. NOT to impute income to people who NEVER worked so never had either income or assets.

But even this the selfishness of men has turned to their own advantage like everything else.

NYMOM said...

I just erased your last comment.

Why?

Because the beauty of having your own blog is that you don't have to put up with insults from people when they run out of convining arguments.

NYMOM said...

Nat, since I am trying to have a blog about coming up with some ideas to address these issues, how do you think we could 'fix' this situation you outlined.

What would be the 'best' scenario for a young woman today (assuming a good education) to navigate the pitfalls you mentioned?

Have children early and delay her career or wait to have children until she's already established?

Anonymous said...

"Western civilization is not unsustainable. Actually our modern civilization is far more sustainable then many other civilizations. Let's face it, if we had to we could be totally self-sufficient. It's actually to encourage world trade to less prosperous countries that we buy so much from other places."

The US is TOTALLY dependent on other nations for practically everything. As I said before, you IMPORT 70% of your energy needs, you import virtually all your finished goods, import word savings, import food, import clothing, import resources and so on. America is little more than a nation of CONSUMERS. The whole country depends on: consumer spending (the consumer accounts for over 70% of US GDP!!), easy credit borrowed from other nations or printed out of thin air, DEBT (115 TRILLION worth), a vastly overinflated real estate market and the petro-dollar (which is in the process of being replaced).

Actually places like India are far more sustainable than "western" lifestyles. For example, in India most food is produced within 100 miles of where it is consumed. In America, foods are shipped in from many nations replying heavily on virtual slave labor. Many foods are grown in depleted soils with countless chemicals, insecticides, fertilizers, processes (hydrogenated, cold-pasteurized..) and sweeteners added - most of which - are known to cause cancers.




"AND what we have to sell is far more valuable products like medicines, electronics, cars, etc., since they CANNOT make or grow these things themselves."

Lets see:

Medical outsourcing to nations like India, Mexico and Thiiland is a GROWING trend. In fact, a growing number of people prefer overseas operations. A great number of the medical professionals in the US are foreign trained anyways (25+% of US physians got their MDs abroad). Every increasing amounts of research are being done overseas (China spends more on RD than all of the EU)

Lets see:

Procedure / US Retail Cost / India / Thailand / Singapore

1. Heart Valve Replacement (Single) / US> $159,000 - 230,000 / Ind.> $ 9,500 / Thai.> $10,500 / Sing.> $13,000
2. Heart Bypass / US> $122,000 - 176,000 / Ind.> $ 10,000 / Thai.> $12,000 / Sing.> $20,000
3. Spinal Fusion / US> $62,000 - 90,000 / Ind.> $ 5,500 / Thai.> $7,000 / Sing.> $9,000
4. Hip Replacement / / US> $44,000 - 63,000 / Ind.> $ 9,000 / Thai.> $12,000 / Sing.> $12,000

Aside from the cost, they provide better service and 1st rate facilities and staff.

Like everything else the US has to outsource or insource (illegal "slave" labor). Americans are way overpriced and "has-beens" in many areas like manufacturing, everyone else in the world already knows that.


2. What American electronics? Practically everything electronic is DESIGNED, MANUFACTURED and ASSEMBLED in countries like China, Taiwan, Japan, Philippines and India. What DVD, LCD screen (or TV for that matter) or electronic product is actually designed/manufactured/assembled in the US?

Who wants overpriced and substandard American goods? Goto any China*Mart store, check out the goods on the store shelves. How many "Made in America" products are for sale? Even the occasional good you see "Made in USA" are in fact only assembled in the US using foreign made parts. In other countries one looks to Japanese products for quality or Chinese products for low cost - but American products, ha!

American's love to exploit developing nations like China - as long as the product is packaged nicely and CHEAP they don't care if it was made in a sweat shop. Everyday American's sell out their fellow workers and promote sweat shops in foreign nations when they shop places like China*mart and China*Depot...but like I said, as long as its packaged nicely and CHEAP who cares?


3. The US has practically "0" manufacturing left. Heck, the US can't even compete with automobiles - who wants to buy a Ford or Chrysler over a new Lexus, Honda or Toyota? China can produce a nice Cherry automobile for about $3,000 US. As much as Japan has outperformed the US in the automobile sector, China is going to finish the job. Overpaid American workers are no match. Period.


"When in fact, you are NOT.""

I am not American, so what do I care?

Nat said...

NYMOM, I think there are many scenarios that can be considered depending on the persons. The scenario described by Anonymous (5:52) can be wonderfull for some people but can be hell for others. Not many 18 years old girls have the maturity to choose a good parter and start a family, and the men of that age or a little older are not ready either. Today women have more respect than they had before and this gives more options to them. A women can choose to start a family later than in her early thenties, or to raise children alone, or to pospone carreer to raise a family, or to never have children and live single. Sure, some circonstences can change a woman's plans but the fact is that they have more options than they had before. Many times I meet women in their late thirties and they are not embittered or ugly at all. Many decent men have interest in them and some are even willing to start a family. Beauty will always be an asset to meet a partner, even for men, and there is nothing wrong with that. But has women gain respect, men considere also other qualities in women. Also, women begins to be valued by other criterias than the number of man she slept with, her youth, her beauty or her husband's prestige.
The problem is some men, not most of men but a significant number enough, don't like the fact that women have more power and more respect than they had. So they throw their hatre on women who didn't submit themselve to a man while they were young. They creates myths on women who are still single after the age of 25. They insult men who respect women or who choose parters that don't have the criteria they think essential for a "good woman" by calling them "pussified", "wimp", "loosers.They do wathever they can to make women in their thirties look like unattractive, trouble makers, hainous and to urge young women to not use options available to them. This is the way they found to boost their ego. Unfortunately, it works sometimes and some women feel guilty to follow the path that is best for them. Also, some men don't want to be seen as "pussified" or "feminized", so they adopt this behavior even if they don't agree with it. It think the best way to fix this situation is to provide help and educate those men to be more tolerant and respectful. Also, we should be supportive to women in our family and friends to make the choices that are best for them and to take what angry men say with a grain of salt.

NYMOM said...

"I am not American, so what do I care."

That's probably explains your rant as well.

If you think we NEED other countries you are sadly mistaken. India can't sustain itself properly NOW as millions of its citizens live and die in the streets their entire lives, never even having a roof over their heads.

So if there is a world catastrophe, they would be one of the first places to go under.

I love people like you talking about how great other places are compared to the west. Europe, Canada, US, etc., if those other third world places are so much GREATER then the west how come millions of immigrants from them are all trying to sneak into our countries?

Riddle me that one.

You are living in a dream world if you think these other places you mentioned are in a stronger position then even the smallest country in the west like Denmark or something like that. Where thousands of foreigners struggle to sneak in everyday.

Anonymous said...

"So if there is a world catastrophe, they would be one of the first places to go under."

No. most foreigners are much more INDEPENDENT than Americans which reply upon everyone else to do everything for them. Out-sourcing, in-sourcing, imports and so on. Look at the NE power failure - two days without power - BIG DEAL - But you would think that the end of the world had arrived for most Americans.

Face it, Americans are SO DEPENDENT on everyone else. You need electricity, running water, head to the food store to "hunt" your meals and on and on. In many foreign countries they locally grow their own food, they are no-where near as dependent on energy as Americans driving their gas-guzzling SUVs, and they are used to large family support independent of the state.


I bet if the power went off for only 1 week some Americans would starve as they wouldn't know what to do without running water, stores and electricity. I bet most Americans dont even know how to grow thier own food or know how to purify water in case of emergencies. Everyone got a real kick out of how well Americans responded in New Orleans last year. Pathetic.




"I love people like you talking about how great other places are compared to the west. Europe, Canada, US, etc., if those other third world places are so much GREATER then the west how come millions of immigrants from them are all trying to sneak into our countries?

Riddle me that one.

You are living in a dream world if you think these other places you mentioned are in a stronger position then even the smallest country in the west like Denmark or something like that. Where thousands of foreigners struggle to sneak in everyday."




(A) First of all the US is not the best country to make money with a degree, but it is one of the easiest to get into illegally - especially without a degree. Many skilled workers are prefer to work in places like the Middle East or Japan wher the pay and benefits are better.

Multinationals are more than willing to truck up unskilled illegal and provide them for work while the taxpayers provide them free services. Wait until the CANAMMEX corridor is in full swing...unlimited transit of people and good from Canada to South America. About time Americans' compete in an open market.

Besides, the US government is paid off so they are happy. The illegal and there families are happy. The multinationals are happy as they have slave labor to lower costs. The consumer is happy as they can hire illegal for the fraction of a unionized worker. As for Americans, so what, it's not my problem it's yours.

As of June 2006 ...

44,000,000........Approximate number of recent aliens in U S
(97% arrived during 1996-2005 10-Yr period)

9,832,000......... Legal aliens (~4.5 million earned citizenship.)
7,204,000......... Visa -expired (over-stayed illegally)
27,000,000........Illegal aliens (includes children shown below)
4,000,000......... Children of illegal aliens (undocumented, age 1-20)
7,000,000......... Children of illegal aliens (citizens, anchor babies)
44,036,000........Total best count possible (accuracy is + or ­ 3%)
4,500,000......... Instantaneous rate of illegals-entry, 2006 (per year)

btw, the US Senate just passed a bill which give ILLEGAL immigrants (guest workers) the right to collect US SOCIAL SECURITY based on past illegal employment backdated as long ago as 1973 ("comprehensive immigration reform bill". Haaaaa! Of course, Bush wanted the US to cover illegal immigrants (aliens) for any work done in Mexico too.

This at a time when there is open discussion of moving the US retirement age to 70 or 75 years old due and reducing benefits to the aging baby boomers retiring (try euthanasia it's easier). I am sure many native born American's will be happy to know they can work longer, harder and for less to support those who never paid any taxes.

Personally as the US can't afford its future UNFUNDED Medicare/pensions obligations (about 42 TRILLION worth) there is already quiet talk of euthanasia there as an option (about time too).

As for retirement you can bet on: means testing, increased age limits, reduced payouts, clawbacks, movement towards euthanasia, continued "managed" (false) statistics (GDP overstated and inflation understated to reduce payouts) and other stragegies which mean you'll work much longer. An why not, "guest workers" are working hard in the US so its high time you worked to support them.



(B) Now there are quite a few reasons why illegal choose westernized nations, a few of which are:

a. Remittances. Take for instance, Mexico. Aside form oil and drug exports to the US the #1 money maker are illegal workers ("guest workers") getting trucked in by a multinational, making some money, remitting the money back to Mexico and then retire. Take what you can.

b. Easy immigration & anchor babies. If you can't get into Japan or the Middle East you head to Canada which has wide open immigration (300,000 / year) and then head to the US. Once there you work, remit, leverage your income on the FOREX and retire back in your home country in your 40s. Have a child in the US and bingo - they have American citizenship. Things blow up in the US, head back. no point having all your eggs in one basket, now is there?

c. Wide open policies and lack of enforcement. Most countries have strict, enforced illegeals immigration policies. So take advantage of the countries that don't, like the US. Everyone knows the US southern border is a joke.

d. "Specialty reasons". It is widely rumored that the Chinese have massive numbers of embedded insurgents in western nations. It is also widely known than many illegal are "OTMs" (Other Than Mexicans) including Middle Eastern patriots (what you would call a terrorist).

e. Why put your eggs all in one basket? Many foreigners have two or more citizenships. Take the Chinese heading into Canada. Many buy very expensive houses in Canada as they have connections and businesses back in China where all the action in (and where there are no taxes). In Canada, they let the taxpayers support their elderly, pay for their children's education and their retirement. Hey why not?

f. Take advantage of the free medical services and schools provided by the stu--generous American taxpayers. Why do you think there is a dramatic increase in diseases rates in the US such as multi-drug resistant TB? Many sick people head to western nations to make use of their free health care systems...and why not? Take what you can.

g. Because they can. Western nations thanks to DECADES of abortions and birth control find themselves in the position of having aging populations. A birth rate of about 4.0 is required to sustain the population now but in many westernized nations the birtrate hovers between 0.7 and 1.5 (average numbers of birth / women's lifetime).

So why not use what you built up for our children? You're not using it nor do you deserve it.

..and on and on. So there are many reasons WHY.

NYMOM said...

Thanks for your thoughtful response Nat.

It all sounds quite logical.

Sadly human nature isn't logical however, and women who wait much after 30 to pick someone have slim pickings these days. Actually I find that most of the male peer group of a 30ish year old woman are generally dating 20 something year olds.

I mean look at Paul McCartney. He married a model in her 30s and he was in his 60s.

So I don't know what choices there are for women who wait until their 30s if they have to pick from that group. AND most of the 60ish guys looking for wives in the 30ish group are NOT millionaires like Paul McCarthy.

That's the basic issue.

We can't just change the mindset and behavior of one sex and think we've solved the problem of women chosing to wait too long for marriage.

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Anonymous said...

Women are the ones playing stupid and delaying marraige and committment to a good guy long past the time of their peak fertility.

Who wanted to put off kids because they disrupt your life and plans? Women.
Who wanted college and higher education? Women.
Who wanted to have businesswoman careers? Women.
Who wanted to be liberated on the pill and screw around with whoever they wanted, using up their fertile years partying and carrying on? Women.

Many men are beyond tired of waiting for women to stop the childish, whorish, "have it all" behavior and commit to a decent fellow before their biological alarms go off and they scramble around to find a chump- er, mate.

You didn't just go ahead and start having babies as single mothers because men didn't want to commit. You went ahead and got knocked up by someone who got you wet (but you really wouldn't be spending your life with) and, when the wombturb that was your bastard child popped out, you blamed everyone but yourselves. THAT'S why you're single mothers. Because you spread your legs for any and all.

You're so empowered. You're so liberated.

Yes, you've certainly raised your single children so well. Crime isn't off the charts. Morality isn't at a low. Welfare isn't at a high. "Statistical lies"? Sorry, priss. Math is math. Numbers don't lie.

Men have turned their back on the scam of a legal deal called marriage. Men have turned their back on a frigid, wench of a "Jekyll and Hyde" wife who will leech off his hard work, divorce him, take half his current wealth, half his future wealth, his kids, file restraining orders against him, and suck as much child support and alimony out of him as possible. All sanctioned and encouraged by the State.

Wow. What a deal. Where do I sign? Sorry, Demented Ice Queen of the North. We're on to you. We know how you think. We know the books, the magazines, the seminars on how best to marry up and then divorce your husband. On how to lie and say we're abusive and strip us of our kids. We've heard the social workers and the lawyers. We've read the court rulings.

Piss. Off.

Yes, take your sperm donors. Use them. Have your little bastard and then track 'em down for child support. Eventually, they'll wake up to that scam just as men in general are realizing that your selfish, entitled butt isn't worth the hassle of marriage.

And after that? Force men to donate! Try it. Pleeeeeeeeeeease try it.

NYMOM said...

Well let's put it this way: men were just as happy as women when feminism empowered women to have casual sex outside of marriage.

Actually men were happier.

I just don't think feminists themselves realized how selfish men would ultimately turn out to be. Many assumed that even with the availability of casual sex in our society, MOST men would eventually want to marry anyway.

Boy were they wrong.

Anyway, if you don't want to get married and have kids. By all means do not.

But don't be too surprised when women use technology to just go ahead and have families w/o you. AND don't be too surprised when that technology eventually bypasses men altogether and makes you unnecessary in the process. Think it can't happen. Guess again.

Anonymous said...

Allot of places are having the same problem. Take Scotland, sperm donor rates are way down..and why not. If men are not on the hook for child support now who knows what the laws will change to in the next 20+ years (not to mention the support payments may be retroactive).

Many countries are facing a sperm donor crises such as:

- Scotland where male donors have fallen from 325 men in 200 to 25 in 2003 to under 1 active donor now.
- Ireland has only one active donor now
- UK with applicants falling from 175 (1994) to under 25 (2003)
* Removal of anonyminity of men in April 2005 will decrease rates further
* About 25,000 children were born this way in the past 15 years (500 / year donors are needed / year)
- Sweden is facing a sperm donor crises after a donor was forced to pay child (3 children) support to a lesbian recipient
- A recent Pennsylvania ruling has men thinking twice
- Australia offering week long free trips to Canadians (who also have a shortage) in exchange for sperm
* As if its worth it, sperm is priceless

.. and so on. It's a growing trend, who wants to donate something as precious as sperm and in the end get punished for it.

On the positive side, women can always get sperm from doners in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia or skip having children altogether and focus on the career (the best option).

NYMOM said...

Well let's see what happens.

People tend to be pretty imaginative and clever if they want something bad enough. Women can always return to using the 'having casual sex without birth control' to get pregnant.

Remember even going the anonymous sperm donor route is kind of an ethical consideration women give to men. But we don't HAVE to do that. It's expensive and time consuming and IF men continue putting obstacles in the way of women who wish to have children using that method, women can go back to the old days pretty easily.

You'll never even know you conceived a kid until he shows up on your doorstep 20 years later, IF his mother even decides to tell him who you are. She can just say you died as a war hero or in some tragic accident. That's what women USED to do until single motherhood became more acceptable.

So, remember things can ALWAYS get worse if men continue your crap.

Actually a LOT of the stuff men get away with today is simply because you sneaked under the radar with it and women were NOT informed. But as more time passes and women DO begin to realize what is going on, you will see changes in their behavior to match your own.

Action = reaction.

That's part of the mission of this blog. Informing women about the changes in law and public policy that have taken place BEHIND OUR BACKS for the most part sneaked under the radar by men to undercut womens' rights.

You know how many shocked looks I get when I tell women about some of these things. They didn't even know this was the law. Like MOST women still believe they AlONE can surrender a baby for adoption if they so chose. Do you know how adoption rates would DROP in this country if a young girl and her parents realized she cannot?

There would have NO babies for adoption then, as no women would take the chance that her decision could be vetoed afterwards.

So think about that one, smart guy.

Anonymous said...

"Well let's see what happens.

People tend to be pretty imaginative and clever if they want something bad enough. Women can always return to using the 'having casual sex without birth control' to get pregnant.

Remember even going the anonymous sperm donor route is kind of an ethical consideration women give to men. But we don't HAVE to do that. It's expensive and time consuming and IF men continue putting obstacles in the way of women who wish to have children using that method, women can go back to the old days pretty easily.

You'll never even know you conceived a kid until he shows up on your doorstep 20 years later, IF his mother even decides to tell him who you are. She can just say you died as a war hero or in some tragic accident. That's what women USED to do until single motherhood became more acceptable.

So, remember things can ALWAYS get worse if men continue your crap.

Actually a LOT of the stuff men get away with today is simply because you sneaked under the radar with it and women were NOT informed. But as more time passes and women DO begin to realize what is going on, you will see changes in their behavior to match your own.

Action = reaction.

That's part of the mission of this blog. Informing women about the changes in law and public policy that have taken place BEHIND OUR BACKS for the most part sneaked under the radar by men to undercut womens' rights.

You know how many shocked looks I get when I tell women about some of these things. They didn't even know this was the law. Like MOST women still believe they AlONE can surrender a baby for adoption if they so chose. Do you know how adoption rates would DROP in this country if a young girl and her parents realized she cannot?

There would have NO babies for adoption then, as no women would take the chance that her decision could be vetoed afterwards.

So think about that one, smart guy"



Oh, like I am shaking in fear. lol Ever hear of male birth control? No I'm not talking about condoms and vasectomies. I'm using some now and I would imagine a growing number of other men are too.

So what you going to do? How about settle for a loser in a bar, go overseas for a "anon" sperm donation or get knocked up by the hotel staff on vacation.

As for men like myself, you have NO choice. It's MY body and entirely up to *ME* - when, if and with whom - *I* choose to enter into fatherhood with. You have really NO SAY in it - my body, my life.

Of course, you can settle for third or fourth-tier men - loser-leftovers who aren't even smart enough to protect themselves. Go to a bar and get knocked up with someone you just met - lol, that's makes for some interesting loser children (after all they are only 1/2 yours)!

But the leaders like myself, sorry, I'm personally outsourcing and quite frankly, you have nothing of substance to bring to the table, have you?.

Action = reaction.

Men now have MANY birth control options coming out into the marketplace, some of which, can be made to last many years on a single injection so no worry of forgetting or being "tricked". The best part is, women have no way of knowing that you have taken your own "precautions"!

And enough men have seen what happens when they are generous and donate valuable sperm just as many men know all about the silly little games women play to get pregnant (sure, honest, I'm on the pill, lol) and how "fair" divorce laws are to fathers.

Tables have turned, haven't they? ..and seeing what happens is indeed fun!

NYMOM said...

I hate to give you the bad news but those 'losers leftovers' as you call them are physically of far better stock then many of the so-called alpha males in our society today.

The average ex-con or teenage thug mugging people on the subway in between classes is a far better genetic asset for a young woman wishing a healthy child then a physically pallid, weak alpha male like Bill Gates, David Letterman or a Ron Perlman. Our unfortunate history of breeding people like livestock has now come back to haunt the class of alpha males who appear to be coming in a poor weak second to these 'leftovers' as you call them.

It's called blowback. Look it up.

You need to get real about yourselves.

You were alphas ONLY in the sense of having access to a lot of resources when you shared them.

An alpha male in nature would be in control of a resource such as good hunting territory because he would have fought off a dozen rivals. Thus he would not only have control of the territory (or resource) but be the most hardy specimen a female could mate with as well, a double home run so to speak.

However that presumption has been turned on its head now in our society. AND with divorce a very real possibility these days and every man with any resources opting for a custody fight in courts very friendly to money, the class of alpha males in our society can expect few women to wish to have children with you anymore.

It just isn't worth the aggravation these days.

So even w/o male birth control I don't see any of you having too many kids.

Sorry to be the one to have to inform you of this change in your circumstances.

Anonymous said...

"I hate to give you the bad news but those 'losers leftovers' as you call them are physically of far better stock then many of the so-called alpha males in our society today.

The average ex-con or teenage thug mugging people on the subway in between classes is a far better genetic asset for a young woman wishing a healthy child then a physically pallid, weak alpha male like Bill Gates, David Letterman or a Ron Perlman. Our unfortunate history of breeding people like livestock has now come back to haunt the class of alpha males who appear to be coming in a poor weak second to these 'leftovers' as you call them."

Great! Then have sex with the average ex-con or teenage mugger .... opps, already doing that? lol Loosers!

So in your twisted mind only ex-cons have good genetic stock and alpha's are otherwise weak? Hahahahahaha. Well, first of all there is more to good genetic material than the ability to lie, cheat, steal, do drugs and kill. How about things like intelligence, adaptability, create, endurance, earn a living and creativity for instance?

Hey, I don't care, let your daughters get fu**ed by an ex-con with a record as long as my arm and a serious drug issue - just don't expect me to pay for their idiocy. Oh won't you be a proud ma-ma when your daughter pops out a babbbby from some looser just out of jail. Hahahaha.

Ohh now that is quite the list you had.

Bill Gates, worth over 50 BILLION dollars and employing people in over 102 countries (not to having mention 3 healthy beautiful children) whom we know as litterally changed the world is the"weak" alpha male and the "average ex-con or teenage mugger" is the "far better genetic asset". Hahahahahaha! This site and your commetns are always good for a laugh.



"AND with divorce a very real possibility these days and every man with any resources opting for a custody fight in courts very friendly to money, the class of alpha males in our society can expect few women to wish to have children with you anymore."


Haaa! Lots of women want to bed alphas. Stand in line. There is hardly a shortage of women wanting sex these days. That's the big joke overseas about American women - lousy mothers and wives but what the heck, they sure spread their legs easy for us foreigners. Face it, more and more American men are either going overseas to find much better wives and mothers or starting their own single father families, sans a wife. Seems to be a growing trend, American women are, increaingly obsolete and unwanted just like your Fords and Chryslers.

MGTOW, are as it's more commonly known, Men Going Their Own Way. Men do not need wives, they don't need mothers, they can bring up families on their own.

NYMOM said...

You are starting to bore me with your constant anti-American remarks. You keep implying that the third world is diligently hard at work making all these wonderful products for us and in return we give them green paper (called dollors) that we print up with the pictures of dead white men on them.

AND somehow that makes you smarter then us.

I hate to tell you this but it's just the OPPOSITE.

IF that's the case, then YOU all are the stupid ones.

This is another version of the same crap I listened to for years from experts during the Cold War.

How the Soviet Union was going to bury us.

We would sell you the rope that you'd hang us with, yada, yada, yada.

Well guess what: the Soviet Union is in the dustbin of history and the United States of Earth er...I mean America is still running the WHOLE WORLD.

Your tirades are only further proof of that.

Again, sorry to have to be the one to inform you of this sad fact.

Now you are about to use up your 15 minutes of fame here as I'm trying to post a few new articles here and might have to ignore your next post as a distraction from more important issues.

Anonymous said...

"You keep implying that the third world is diligently hard at work making all these wonderful products for us and in return we give them green paper (called dollars) that we print up with the pictures of dead white men on them. AND somehow that makes you smarter then us"


Let see, you have off-shored (given away!) your technology, product and design capabilities (engineering..), R&D, support services, manufacturing plants, equipment, processes, energy/food production and pretty much everything. So now countries which do not have your best interests in mind like communist China have leaped over 50 years of industrialization efforts while America has hollowed itself out. China is manufacturing the latest Toyota Prius using the latest state of the art robotics, China graduates more than 10+ times the engineers the US does (and climbing) and has a larger RD budget than all of the EU.

You have recieved "trickets" in exchange - consumer goods, loans and energy. Karmic repayment perhaps ...chea.. I mean exchaning native Indians trickets for land. My how we've come full circle.

The Chinese and the Japanese are much more strategic thinkers than the US, that is obvious. It's also not un-American to realize that.

..and YES, it does make them smarter than you.


China has built up tremendous foreign US $ currency reserves which not only makes the entire US financial system vunerable BUT has given them the means to lock down much if not most of the worlds energy and resources. American has become utterly dependent on the mercy and generosity of foreign nations many of which do not have your best interests at mind.

Again, that makes the Chinese in particular, more savvy strategic thinkers than short term "anything for a immediate buck" American interests. The best investing is done with long term logic and not irrational short term feeeelings. Facts not emotions.



"...How the Soviet Union was going to bury us. "

You're really not keeping up on geo-politics are you? Where do you get your news from, CNN or FOX? Haaa! China, Iran and Russia are running circles around the US right now. They've pretty much tied up the energy, manufactured goods and commodities on a WORLWIDE scale. North American natural gas is past peak production and has been in decline since 2000, oil production in the US peaked in 1973 and has been in decline ever since, the top 5 major oil exporters to the US are in decline. In fact some estimate that the only natural gas in 9 years in North America will have to come from LNG terminals - see any being built? Btw, the largest natural gas and uranium deposits which the EU is TOTALLY dependent upon (and increasing North America) are located in RUSSIA.

America in DECLINE. Aside from brave American MEN fighting for your access to oil in the middle east (Iraq), you've lost almost every major sector now. Gee, why aren't brave American women on the front lines there? Haaa!

What do you think the "Shanghai Cooperation Organization" (SCO) is about? I bet you never even heard of the SCO (or the IEA). Basically it is the equivilant of NATO locking up resources and energy by China, Russia, Iran, India, Pakistan and the four "'stans" of the Capsian Sea area. That is the greatest concentration of nuclear military might in the greatest alliance ever assembled.

The US is locked out of many energy and resource markets now, such as the Caspian Sea area and many part of the Middle East and Africa. Only 10 - 15% of global oil reserves are now accessible to US oil interests as opposed to 60+% access to oil fields in the 1960s.

America representing 5% of the words population guzzles 25% of the words oil, imports 70% of its energy needs and yet it's oil companies only have access to about 10%-15% of the worlds oil fields. Does that sound like a "good thing" or something which is sustainable? The "American Dream" is fueled by oil and funded by borrowed money.

China has started to increase interest rates (and Japan may be unwinding the Yen carry trade) - the process of importing deflation and exporting inflation may be ending/reversing and you know what that means for America. You do, don't you?

US oil companies like EXXON-Mobil grow increasingly unimportant as the REGIONAL oil players (governments) Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran or Venezuela control the bulk of oil (and commodity) wealth. Additionally there has been decades of neglect and abandonment in the US oil industry in the 80s and 90s where investment ceased, many players left the market, research stopped and people left for other job markets or retired. Many things take at least a decade or more to "ramp up" (like opening a mine) and America has a major shortage of skilled men, youth and leadership.

So rather than have a national energy policy American's blame high oil prices on US oil companies (ha!). Talk about not having a clue..

If you think oil at 70$ is allot and pump prices of $3 is high, it's not, $7 gas will be there very soon. Expect it many multiples higher in the future. Expect the same of natural gas and uranium as well as they are also in depletion curves.

This at a time when the EPA average for American automobiles (2005) were LOWER than the fuel efficiency of a Ford Model T from 1918 or thereabouts. Haaa!

Incidentally the top exporters of oil to the US are: 1. Canada, 2.Mexico, 3. Venezuela, 4.Saudi Arabia, 5. Nigeria. Mexico is in major decline as is Saudi Arabia. The oil rig count in S. Arabia is 60% above the 5 year average and their water cuts are 55%. Can you say, "PANIC"? Venezuela is importing oil from Russia to make commitments and Nigeria has major issues. Only Canada is doing well but the "tar sands" requires huge amounts of water and NATURAL GAS...and N. American natural gas supplies will be exhausted in about 9 years!

Do you have ANY IDEA of the significance of the US not only loosing its major oil "partners" (the US imports 70% of its energy!) but having the largest oil fields go through depletion curves? World energy consumption is growing at 2% / year, yet, world oil production may have peaked and may be declining. There is a mere 1.5 Mbpd buffer right now (down from 6+ Mbpd in the 60s). Net global oil production is 84 Mbpd and consumption is 82.5 Mbpd - do you relaize the significance of this?


You really need to get up to speed on events - your living in the 60s. Yes, communist China and Russia have played a great chess game and has constantly outmaneuvered America on every important move. That's not "un-American", that's just the facts.

NYMOM said...

"Yes, communist China and Russia have played a great chess game and has constantly outmaneuvered America on every important move."

Yeah, right.

That's in your dreams.

It's incredible how people like you continue to WANT to believe that somebody out there is going to destroy the US. Now that the Soviet Union has collapsed, you are hoping for China, if not them then maybe the Islamic nations.

Maybe an invasion from Mars,keep praying for one.

I know people from China and guess what, they have told me China is equivalent to where the US was in the 50s.

So dream on that they and Russia are going to collaborate against the US. China and Russia, aka USSR, WERE partners already and guess what China saw they got NOTHING out of the deal, so dumped them and turned to us. AND that's when Russia controlled ALL the Soviet Union, yet they still couldn't do much for China.

They were light years behind the US in medicine, computer technology, manufacturing of consumer goods, everything.

The ONLY thing that Russia is good for (and still does) is selling weapons cheaply to the third world and stirring up trouble.

China, on the other hand, is trying to improve their standard of living and bring their country into the 21st century like what they saw the US help Japan and South Korea do. Even Hong Kong is an example of what China wishes for the ENTIRE COUNTRY...not some carrying on of the cold war by other means.

So no, you're wrong.

China might collaborate on a few things here and there with Russia but the bottom line is their goal is to be like Japan and South Korea and the way to do that is through US.

Sorry to have to be the one to disappoint you a second time in these delusions of our imminent destruction. But you'll have to get over it.

Anonymous said...

Remember, if we don't become fathers, we lose nothing, because we are such selfish assholes that we only think about football and beer. But you women lose a lot, because you won't become mothers, which you say it's so important for you.

The difference between us and you is that we already got over it. It's you who is crying and shouting because we men are not doing what you want us to do.

To become mothers, women better be good to men. Get over it.

Nat said...

"But you women lose a lot, because you won't become mothers, which you say it's so important for you."
Yes, it is important for most women to become mothers. But that does not mean that those who happen to be not, even if they wish to be, cannot enjoy life and get away with it. Contrarly to what angry men say, single and childless women after their 20th are not all "crying and shouting" and desesperate. It is another trap to convince young women to be at men's feet so maybe one day, if men have nothing better to do, they will "save them" by marrying them and have children, if it is not much trouble and if men can continue to enjoy life like if they were single. The fact is that today many women have their children alone and they do very well. They don't have to wait and beg for a partner who is willing to commit and share responsibilities. They can get pregnant easily or adopt. Sure, being married with the father of her children and having more time with them when they are young instead of go back to work soon is a less difficult option, but other options can be good too. It is angry men that crying and shouting that women use other options available to them to start families. They shout against family friendly politics in workplaces, companies and governement, when they exist, because, according to them, "it costs an enormous price to men taxpayers", it "makes it too easy for single mothers" and it makes "men feel that they are not essential".

Anonymous said...

When "family-friendly" mean something other than "make men pay for it", we will stop "shouting". If you find a way to let women become mothers, without having men paying for that, whether directly or through our taxes, I'm all for it. After all, if we are not essential, you can do without our money, too.

I'm sure you will find a lot of generous, nurturing women eager to work for free in fertility clinics and to share their wages with some woman who just gave birth.

In your original article, it was you who was complaining because men were out there, enjoying life, instead of working to support mothers.

Women can enjoy life without men. Men can enjoy life without women, too. In fact, that's what we are doing, and that's what angers you so much.

Anonymous said...

"It's incredible how people like you continue to WANT to believe that somebody out there is going to destroy the US. Now that the Soviet Union has collapsed, you are hoping for China, if not them then maybe the Islamic nations. Maybe an invasion from Mars, keep praying for one. "


You've been watching too much TV. It's more of a race to secure dwindling resources in our overpopulated and polluted world. Water, minerals, food supplies and energy sources are diminishing at an alarming rate while populations keep growing.

The "Shanghai 6" (SCO) are simply out-maneuvering America in the energy/resource field. In many regards, America is living in the 60s when it had access to 60% of the worlds oil fields, when America was the manufacturing and technology powerhouse of the world and when it was still THE major energy exporter.

My how times have changed.

In the case of Islam (a RELIGION), followers simply want the rest of the world to adopt it's principles and belief system. No different than say, Christians, pushing their own bizarre beliefs down the throats of the rest of the world.

Much of Europe will become Muslim in the future simply due to immigration trends, "conversions", indifference, and a "native" population which is slowly dying out.

Already 1 out of 22 people in Canada are Muslim, and in many nations of Europe are transitioning now. In the next 10 to 20 years, much of Europe will become Muslim. Kind of like when Constinoble (Roman Catholic) became Istanbul (Islamic). Mind you, the transition wasn't too nice for the Chirsitans living there at the time.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me, business is business. I can deal with someone believing in Islam as effectively as someone believing in Christianity.




" I know people from China and guess what, they have told me China is equivalent to where the US was in the 50s. "

Obviously you do not do business of investing in China. China has more than 170 major cities with populations over 1 million.

In the case of Shanghai, in 2005 more office space was added than currently exists in ALL of New York City. Shanghai already has over 4000 skyscrapers (double than of NYC) and another 1000 are being added. In other words, Shanghai built more skysrapers in 15 years than NYC did in a century. Shanghai is being transformed into THE financial capital of the WORLD just as China has become the manufacturing centre of the world, bar none.

You really should get out of your cocoon and head to places like Shanghai and Hong Kong. I was just in Japan and Hong Kong a few weeks ago and they are not exactly 3rd world cities. I'll be in Shanghai later on as well, to take care of exports.



"The ONLY thing that Russia is good for (and still does) is selling weapons cheaply to the third world and stirring up trouble. "

You're obvioulsy "out of the loop" and not into serious investing or financials. Russia is one of the largest players in may areas - especially - energy.

Russia:

- is the LARGEST player in the energy markets
- produces almost as much oil as Saudi Arabia
- produces twice the oil of Iran, and four times that of Iraq
- has more than 25% of the worlds natural gas reserves are in Russia.
- the largest natural gas deposits in the world (#2 is Iran)
- the largest deposits of uranium
- 40% more uranium than the second largest global players, Canada

This year alone the shortfall between uranium needed vs uranium used is 80 million pounds.

The SCO (China, Iran, Russia, the 4 -'stans, India..) will controls MOST of the worlds diminishing natural gas supplies and most of the oil supplies. The US has been outmaneuvered in the energy sector very badly. The best they can do is "gunship" diplomacy (military in Iraq) while the SCO has setup savvy business deals around the world. Ironically, countries like China are MUCH more entrepreneurial at times, than America.

This is just ONE area Russia excels at. There are many others such as thier outstanding space program (incidently the US is using Russia's launch capability, so much for NASA!).

Incidentally, Russia missile technology is in some areas 10 - 20 years more ADVANCED than America. As the world once again moves to a commodity market cycle from an equity market cycle, Russia's position will only become stronger.

NYMOM said...

"Russia's position will only become stronger".

That's what this is all about. You really believe that?

Any nation that their economy depends on selling raw materials to others is NOT in a good position. It's the low end of the totem pole for economies.

AND I happen to think that Islamic terrorism will eventually cause laws to be passed that will stop legal immigration from Islamic countries to the west. AND of course, when the illegal cannot disappear into the flow of legal immigrants, BOTH will become harder to accomplish...

Sorry to have to be the one to inform you of this but it's quietly happening already. It's getting harder for people from Islamic countries to come here even for college education and harder for them to stay after they complete it.

In another ten years, they'll be lucky if they can get or make a telephone call to the west, never mind buy an airline ticket. AND guess what: those countries are no China. We put them on ignore for 20 years and they'll be back to riding camels again...

NYMOM said...

"To become mothers, women better be good to men".

Sorry but technology has short circuited your equation. With single parent adoption, single motherhood becoming more acceptable and professional women looking at anonymous donors more in order to start a family, it's ultimately men who are going to be out of luck.

It's still a LOT easier using technology today for a woman to become a mother w/o a man, then for a man to do the opposite. Some of you will do it in spite of the complications, most won't.

So you are cutting yourselves off from families if you continue.

NYMOM said...

"...today many women have their children alone and they do very well..."

Exactly.

That's why they created all these statistical lies about single mothers.

"...it makes men feel they are not essential..."

Precisely.

They thought women would collapse w/o them when they traded their families for casual sex in the 60s/70s. They all wanted to be like Hugh Hefner, a playboy....

Well guess what they got what they wanted and life went right on w/o them...that's when they started scrambling to come up with this bullcrap like how damn important they are to children.

They should have thought of that before they turned their backs and abandoned their former roles as head of the family.

They won't be seeing those days again in a hurry.

NYMOM said...

"Women can enjoy life without men. Men can enjoy life without women, too. In fact, that's what we are doing and that's what angers you so much."

Not angers me. Angers men.

That's why you all have to use the court system so much. You know attempting to legislate undeserved rights for yourselves from the bench. What you often accuse other groups of doing.

Rights that you probably couldn't get if you depended upon honestly going to ordinary people to make a case for them.

If you look at the changes in family laws and public policies that have taken place over the last few decades MOST were put in place to benefit men.

Undeservedly, I might add.

You saw your positions being eroded, rightfully due to your own bad behavior, and in a desperate attempt to restore yourselves you came up with all this fatherhood bullcrap.

This goes on nowhere else in the world. Even as stupid as the muslims are, their own sharia laws recognizes and respects the primacy of the mother/child bond.

Thus, western man continues becoming more and more useless.

NYMOM said...

Most of your laws passed to benefit yourselves will wind up shooting you in the foot. Just as these endless custody wars you have begun have started to backfire upon you now. Since they have led to more and more women beginning to ensure you have NO RIGHT before conception. That's what all this legislation about anonymous sperm donation is about. Although many of you try to paint it as being concerned about children and gay parents, it really has nothing to do with EITHER...

In fact, it is men trying to protect the little contribution they make to the whole event and blow it way out of proportion to it's actual importance. It is relatively insignificant in the general scheme of things compared to what women contribute. But as always, trying to make the world revolve around yourselves in every situation.

It must be about you 24/7...mustn't it...

Anonymous said...

"Russia's position will only become stronger". That's what this is all about. You really believe that? Any nation that their economy depends on selling raw materials to others is NOT in a good position. It's the low end of the totem pole for economies."

You mean like Saudi Arabia? Seems to me, they do quite well.

And what exactly does America export these days? Hollywood entertainment, debt, fiat petro-dollars, financial speculation (derivatives for instance), housing bubbles and ??

America ceased to be a leader in many fields such as energy, manufacturing, product design, and technology quite some time ago.

We are in the early phases of a long term commodities market multiplied this time around by: depletion, pollution, poor leadership and overpopulation.

Russia is the #1 energy player in the world (oil, natural gas, uranium ..), a key player of the SCO, a key trading partner to what will once again be the worlds most powerful superpower (China), a major resource holder - and on and on. The SCO has a stranglehold on world-wide energy supplies and the US is now largely shut out of most major markets.

You also grossly underestimate or are unaware of their technological achievements which in many areas are far ahead of the western nations.

It is the SCO - the combination of nations such as China, India, Russia, Iran - which is really setting the world stage for some exciting times..

The answer to your question seems rather obvious....YES, Russia's position will only grow stronger.



"AND I happen to think that Islamic terrorism will eventually cause laws to be passed that will stop legal immigration from Islamic countries to the west. AND of course, when the illegal cannot disappear into the flow of legal immigrants, BOTH will become harder to accomplish... "


Actually the latest laws in states like California actively promote and protect the Islamic faith and clamping down on Christians. A bit of the opposite as you thought would happen, isn't it? Either-way it doesn't matter, the back door is wide open and Islam is here to stay.

As I printed elsewhere some ** 44 MILLION illegal immigrants ** are ALREADY in America, and it's growing exponentially. This is with the full awareness and FULL SUPPORT of your nations leaders - it is being actively encouraged (US water stations for illegal crossers, US laws, pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate get into the US...). Many state laws such as those in Colorado and California go all out to encourage and support illegal immigration.

Now aside from various militant groups like Atzlan - a very powerful group with a sizeable following - whom want most of the southern US to revert back to Mexican ownership many illegal are "OTMs" (other than Mexicans"). A large (and growing) number of people in America are Muslim - some states in the US backed by unlimited funding from nations liked Saudi Arabia are already joked to be "Middle Eastern".

You really can't do anything to stop it. Big business is in on it, the American public doesn't care (imported slave labor, lowering employment costs..) and the politicians are blinded to thier own greed and pursuit of power.

Only the peoples wishing to immigrate by the "proper" channels will be hurt, which will further intensify illegal immigration. Wait until the CANAMEX corridor swings into operation. You do know about that I would hope, the average American can't have their heads so far in the sand as not to have followed this monumental undertaking.

As for Europe the handwriting is on the wall. 10,000 cars burned in France, tourists being swarmed in Spain, riots spreading out to many other nations and the violence in Australia. It is not something which can now be reversed. Tremendous number of people of the Islamic faith ALREADY in Europe are simply having many more babies..

Again, I can do business to someone of the Islamic faith as easily as the Christian faith. It really doesn't matter to me.



"In another ten years, they'll be lucky if they can get or make a telephone call to the west, never mind buy an airline ticket. AND guess what: those countries are no China. We put them on ignore for 20 years and they'll be back to riding camels again...""

Actually much of Europe will be Islamic within 10 - 30 years,.and Islam is building quickly in places like Canada (1 out of every 22 people are Muslim), UK, America and Austrilia. Get used to it.

Again, doesn't matter to me either way, business is business.

Anonymous said...

"Sorry but technology has short circuited your equation. With single parent adoption, single motherhood becoming more acceptable and professional women looking at anonymous donors more in order to start a family, it's ultimately men who are going to be out of luck."

Men can work and live anywhere they choose. More and more men are setting up shop in tax and business friendly nations just as multi-nationals do. Talent can and is fluid in a global marketplace.

Now single parent adoptions are a good idea, I know quite a few men whom started their own single father families. As I recall, one nation in Europe has 25% of their children growing up in single father families.

Single father adoptions and alternative methods for single men to start and raise their own families sans women are becoming increasingly acceptable just as are male birth control methods beyond that of vasectomies and condoms.

MGTOW - or Men Going Thier Own Way. Progress.

NYMOM said...

What nation was that with 25% of the men having children in single parent homes? Neverexistedstan probably.

They must have killed those poor kids' mothers in that place like what many of you do here, when you want to steal a kid. OR maybe they just abducted those kids from their mothers using kangaroo courts, like many of you do here as well...

As the US is far more liberal in that area then many other places, yet has FEW single men who adopt...and the laws have allowed them to for years.

You're all like that industrial ant and the lazy grasshopper story. Perfectly okay with consuming the products of someone else's labor; but not over exerting yourself to produce anything of your own, if you can be avoid it...

In other words shiftless and lazy.

Anonymous said...

This my first time posting here and I would say, I would marry a foreign woman instead of an American woman who spent most of her 20s partying and sleeping around. Foreign women in the post part are feminine and marriage/family friendly.

NYMOM said...

I'm getting a little tired of your doomsday scenarios here as I don't believe a word of them, so two things:

One, why are you such a coward that you can't comment under your usual internet handle? I saw that you mentioned on another blog how you are over here commenting, yet here you go by anonymous.

It's sad that you would be SO afraid of what other male bloggers will say about you commenting over here, that you are too frightened to post using the name that you use on every other site you comment on.

This is about the third or fourth time I've seen one of your 'crowd' exhibit this sort of fearful behavior.

What are you afraid of????.

Oh well.

Two, can we return to the purpose of this blog: which is not your fixation on who or what you hope will eventually destroy the USA, but what are we going to do about the malicious campaign against women in their role as mothers?

Over 40 comments on here and few of them other then my own addressing that issue.

Let's start brain storming about that.

NYMOM said...

AND who was partying around with American women in their 20s.

Exactly.

American men.

So look to yourselves for blame in these areas.

Anonymous said...

"You saw your positions being eroded, rightfully due to your own bad behavior"

And what about WOMEN's bad behavior? Did you really think we would accept women after they slept around, filled their bodies with drugs and tatoos, started to divorce men at a whim and treated men as disposable trash?

We will marry women when women act as wives, not as sluts.

Anonymous said...

"AND who was partying around with American women in their 20s.
Exactly.
American men."

Not THIS American man. And this American man won't accept other guy's leftovers.

Anonymous said...

"your doomsday scenarios"

First of all its business. Cause and effect. One earns when the markets go up and one earns when the markets go down. Perosnally I call it OPPORTUNITY.

If you play the global markets you need to understand what's happening. Besides, I do not see it as "doomsday", perhaps you do. Sure there will always be winners and losers, but allot of what happens, is determined by how the game is played and how you position yourself.

History is full of the rise and fall of civilizations such as Rome, Sumeria, Spain and Babylon. Yet, the world is still here, albeit, in a very different format. America will not last forever, but perhaps, its end can be held off. America must rediscover what made it great, and that includes, getting back to the constitutional basics and rediscovering personal responsibility and personal independence. I don't see that happening until things get much worse.

Incidentally, China for many centuries had a far higher percentage (by a factor of two!) of global GDP than the US currently has (or ever had). China for many centuries was the world super power, then it fell, and now it appears to be on the re-bound. In some ways, China is simply getting back to it's former status. Awakening the dragon IMO was a fool-hardy thing to do - one which was done out of greed and poor leadership. Sure it's nice to get goods cheap, to export inflation (and other fiat money games) and to off-shore the "dirty jobs" BUT at what long term cost? America has never been so dependent upon the "kindness" of foreign nations as she is now.

What is happening in Europe is a FACT. Europe will have a major clash of religious beliefs and we're just starting to see the first ripples of this. It is not that Islam is "evil" nor more than it is that "Christianity" is evil. Different ideals wanting world dominance and historically that has lead to war and great loses of life.

What is happening in America is a FACT. Massive illegal immigration, massive outsourcing, hollowing out of the manufacturing/technology sector, being locked out of the global energy market - and so forth. Go ahead, prove it to youself - go down to China*Mart and look at all the "Made In" labels. One has only to open thier eyes.


You can close your eyes, "dumb yourself down" watching mainstream news, ignore what is happening but it doesn't alter the fact that it is.



"One, why are you such a coward that you can't comment under your usual internet handle? I saw that you mentioned on another blog how you are over here commenting, yet here you go by anonymous.

What blog? Me thinks you have me confused. Too many anonymous anonymous's I guess. The only blogs I read daily are related to investing ones. Why would I get a handle here? You're just a bitter old person who's angry at 1/2 the population and this site is hardly worth my time. So what man dumped you!?




It's sad that you would be SO afraid of what other male bloggers will say about you commenting over here, that you are too frightened to post using the name that you use on every other site you comment on."

Oh here we go ... kindergarten level SHAMING TACTICS. They do not work with me. Are you gonna tell my da-da and ma-ma now? lol, get real. Oh go ahead, hold your breath until you turn blue in the face if it makes you feel better. I live where I choose, work where and at what I choose, and do as I wish. Its' called FREEDOM.

The reality is, you're living in the 1960s, Mrs. Brady. You are way out of touch with world events.

NYMOM said...

"...shaming tactics..."

What is this crap you people are always talking about shaming tactics. Grow up already.



"The reality is, you're living in the 1960s..."

No you are. That was while we still looked at China as the 'red menace' and were isolating them. Nixon in the 70s finally reached out to them. This nonsense of them 'taking over the world' is more of the same by other means.

Letting them manufacture things for the US which we pay them for in American dollars is NOT evidence of us declining. It's evidence of the US economy maturing and most young US workers not wishing to work in factories anymore.

It's the same reason we have a lot of jobs here for immigrants, as most of the jobs they do Americans don't want. I don't want to pick fruit or be a busboy in a restaurant, nor do I want to make toys in a factory. AND my children don't wish to do that either...

NYMOM said...

"Do you really think we would accept women after they slept around..."

"Not THIS American man. And this American man won't accept other guy's leftovers."

Women feel the same way.

Why would we want men who are used up and bitter against women, God only knows what your bodies are incubating from herpes to AIDS. That's on top of being stingy cheapskates, always trying to steal one of our kids, so you can avoid paying child support.

You're no prize packages either.

Anonymous said...

In America and the rest of the English speaking Western nations like Canada, UK, Australia, marriage has become little more than a tool for women to separate men from their hard earned cash, house and other assets. A husband is little more than a provider and donor. He is like the mantis that gives up his body for the consumption of the female mantis after mating so that she has enough protein to lay her eggs. She eats him alive shortly after, or even during, the consummation of their union.

Today, the Republican Party in the US is trying to drum up support for a ban on gay marriage but no one is listening. Why is that? It is because most Americans know that marriage is no longer some mystical union between the spirit of a man and woman. They know that it is nothing more than a business contract where the man invariably gets the shitty end of the deal. Even the people who don’t approve of homosexuality can’t delude themselves enough about the true nature of marriage to support the ban. They know that all the talk about the sanctity of marriage in America is a crock of bullshit. Marriage is all about getting taken to the cleaners and being denied visitation with your kids; so who cares if the gays want to get a taste of divorce court?

Anyway, with hard economic times on the horizon, who wants to support some woman in the manner in which she would like to become accustomed to while she pops out a bunch of kids; allows her ass to widen progressively; withholds sex to get her way; nags incessantly; and drives one into bankruptcy in her quest to keep up with the Joneses?

I have heard all the arguments as to why a woman should have as much as two thirds of my net worth upon divorce. I hear the old housework isn’t easy theme beaten to death over and over again. No one mentions that over the years housework has gotten progressively easier with washing machines, dishwashers, vacuum cleaners and no-scrub bathroom cleaners. My Mexican housekeeper gets it all done, including the cooking, and she never complains though she costs me much less than an American wife would. I’m beginning to think that illegal immigration is a blessing in disguise for young professional men who realize that remaining single is the best option for achieving financial success and a comfortable retirement.

So, do I care what American women want? No. They want it all and I’m not going to give it to them. I can easily get what I want without them. If I am selfish they made me that way. They got too greedy and I decided too use cheap labor and to contract offshore services to take care of my needs. If they want to be supported in a manner in which they would like to become accustomed to, they can do it the way I did, through hard work.

NYMOM said...

"...My Mexican housekeeper gets it all done, including the cooking, and she never complains...she costs me much less then an American wife would..."

So why the heck don't you marry your Mexican housekeeper then. You are the one who keep posting on here about how the whole country is being destroyed by cheap labor and farming out jobs that Americans don't want to do anymore.

I think your case is a prime example of what I was talking about before. You can't find an American woman who is willing to do EVERYTHING for you without complaint for the price you are willing to pay. So you got a Mexican woman since as you said "she costs me much less then an American wife would".

So your problem is solved. What are you over here complaining about?

Anonymous said...

Actually I don't get involved intimately with my Mexican housekeeper as I don't get involved with anyone I work with or if I employed them.

About immigration, it wasn't me that's saying immigration is making America worse as I'm for immigration as I do employ immigrants like my Mexican Housekeeper. America is built on immigration and I'll leave it as that.

Got in a bit of a debate this afternoon at work, with my assistant. She was saying, somewhat sarcastically, how I "must really like it" because my Mexican Housekeeper is at home keeping the house clean, doing laundry and cooking the meals. We had gotten on the domestic subject after I stated that if I have a wife, there was no way I'd be changing any diapers once we had kids.

So anyways, I said sure I like it, that's the way things are supposed to be. To which she replied, not if the girl is smart and independant. What's that supposed to mean anyways.... I asked her. She said something about girls going out and making their own money and how that was a good thing in case the marriage didn't work out.

Bingo! Right there she basically admitted what I've known all along..... western women pretty much plan ahead for a marriage to fail, and "smart and independant" is just code language for .....single and alone. I then told her that was the exact reason why I would never, ever marry an American woman. They, and most other western women, are just walking divorces, waiting to happen.

This is from my assistant, a 26 yr old female employee who I get along with quite well. We weren't arguing or anything like that, but I've long detected a low level vibe from her that I'd somehow broken some kind of unwritten rule by leaving the country to find a wife. For some reason, today's "smart and independant" women just hate it when we go out and find ourselves a good-looking, traditional housewife.

NYMOM said...

"...women just hate it when we go out and find ourselves a good-looking, traditional housewife..."

But you haven't done that...you've just hired a housekeeper according to you. Believe it or not women hire housekeepers as well. I work p/t for a woman as her personal assistant and guess what: she has a housekeeper as well.

Additionally young women HAVE to plan ahead, it's not because they are 'divorces waiting to happen'...

It's because just as blogger Hugo Schwyzer pointed out last year: there is a history here of men disappointing, abandoning and generally letting down the women in their lives. So this is not behavior that women, American or otherwise, have come to exhibit overnight. This is behavior that has been cultivated over eons of history, as women have had to deal with the irresponsible behavior of men.

This is how they are protecting themselves.

So if YOU are running into young women, 26 years old (just barely a woman) and she already has that sort of attitude that she needs to 'protect herself' from men and always be on guard and looking for the escape hatch because she cannot count on the men in her life, well blame yourselves.

As this is the historic legacy your brothers have left behind for you to wallow through.

AND this latest debacle that western men are pulling with all this custody crap will go down in the same ledger. One more historic black mark against you all, which people will point to and say once again the selfishness and greediness of men is what led to all that happening.

So you will continue to have more to answer for in the coming decades.

Actually I have already read two well-known male authors this year who have commented on how much hatred they have noticed against men when they were researching their books. Robert Bly and Steven Rhodes both commented on it.

Anonymous said...

Of course some rich and lazy women(if they are not suffering from illness) would hire housekeepers but thats besides the point. I get the housekeeping and cooking part taken care of by my Mexican Housekeeper which is one aspect of a tradtional wife supposed to do which I would want a traditional marriage where I'm the breadwinner and the wife is traditional who maintains the household and takes care of the children.

Even though I'm not married, and I won't ever marry an American woman, I based my comments on 1 brother who married a Filipino woman and my other other three friends who married other foreign women(Chinese, Ukrainian,and Mexican). All of them are happy marriages as these men are all in our age group of late 20s to early 30s as I personally met their young and attractive wives numerous times and three of them have children(the 4th one is pregnant now). These foreign wives are very traditional and doesn't have Feminist crap thats poisoning the minds of Western English/American women today. I've seen many including a few friends who have serious marriage breakdowns when they marry American women so I stand firm of avoiding marriage with American women.

I'm glad I have this Mexican Housekeeper as she is willing to teach me some Spanish as I plan to visit Argentina for my next vacation, and who knows, I might just meet the right Argentine woman to marry and have children someday.

Anonymous said...

"I plan to visit Argentina for my next vacation, and who knows, I might just meet the right Argentine woman to marry and have children someday."

Anon, great to hear. South American women certainly are nice and usually make great wives and mothers ... just as are Asian women do.

Best of luck & I wish you and your future wife (and future children too!) all the happiness in the world.

Anonymous said...

"You can't find an American woman who is willing to do EVERYTHING for you without complaint for the price you are willing to pay. So you got a Mexican woman since as you said "she costs me much less then an American wife would".

In a free market economy, the equilibrium price for any commodity is the intersection between the lowest price the seller accepts and the highest price the buyer is willing to pay for it. So, as you admit yourself, American women have priced themselves out of the market.

Anonymous said...

"In a free market economy, the equilibrium price for any commodity is the intersection between the lowest price the seller accepts and the highest price the buyer is willing to pay for it. So, as you admit yourself, American women have priced themselves out of the market."


Correct Anon. It's a global economy, why not? Is a sense, American men are OUT-sourcing (IN-sourcing in the case of the gentleman hiring the housekeeper).

This arrangement also promotes equality. Just as an American man is able to go to South America, Asia or the Middle East for a wife, so to is the American women able to goto other continents to find a husband. If an American man marries a Japanese women then it frees up a Japanese man to date an American women so in the end everything balances out nicely.

Besides, children of mixed marriages are often very beautiful/handsome! Perhaps such arrangements also help to bring the nations/races closer together by blurring the racial boundaries.

Also both sexes have many other options available. For example, there is defiantly a quickly increasing trend for men to want to start their own single-father families. This is no different than women who have and do use the option to start single-mother families. Many men are also going thier own way - doing thier own arranglements which is great.

So it all works out rather nicely I think and everyone gets the best "value" in the global marketplace.

Nat said...

"Of course some rich and lazy women would hire housekeepers but thats besides the point." So when women hire housekeepers, its because they are rich and lazy, but when men hire housekeepers, it must be because they are too busy doing something a lot more valuable? And it is funny how some men tell again and again to American and Canadian women that they will never marry them because foreigner women are willing to giving more and taking less. Are you saying that for helping us change and find a husband? I am French Canadian and I married an Asian man, so I guess we are not all so bad as you say.
"...marriage is no longer some mystical union between the spirit of a man and woman." No, when men say that they go in other countries finding a wife because they are more attractive, doing more cleaning without complaining and are cheaper than Americans, it doesn't sound like they want a mystical union between spirits.

Anonymous said...

"Just as an American man is able to go to South America, Asia or the Middle East for a wife, so to is the American women able to goto other continents to find a husband."

"Equality" would work if American men and women offered the same. And it is not so.

If you price yourself out of the highest income market, how can you expect to go to a lower-income market and get the price you want?

Specially when the "native" brands -a figure of speech- are as good or better than yours, and cost only a fraction of your price? After all, THAT IS THE VERY REASON by which American men go to those markets in the first place!

So, unless these women are eager to be the main breadwinner while the guy stays at home, I fail to see how a guy from South America, Asia or the Middle East -zones where the income is A LOT lower than in the US- will be eager to pay a price an American man sees as too high.

Anonymous said...

"Equality" would work if American men and women offered the same. And it is not so.

If you price yourself out of the highest income market, how can you expect to go to a lower-income market and get the price you want?

Specially when the "native" brands -a figure of speech - are as good or better than yours, and cost only a fraction of your price? After all, THAT IS THE VERY REASON by which American men go to those markets in the first place! "


Good points, Anon. Marketplaces are usually "self-correcting" in the long run. Trends can take place a long time - years, decades even centuries - but in the end the market does regulate itself (though not smoothly, with inflation/deflation spikes).

If one sex in one geo-graphical area has priced themselves out of the global marketplace then either they have to increase their value, better the "environment" (unlikely as this is at the governmental level), use an alternative like single-parenthood/adoption or simply be happy being single (which for many is a good choice in our over-populated planet as well).

Whatever the path the men/women choose, they are now competing within a global marketplace. Thus up-side is that there is greater selection and it certainly makes for an exciting time. The down-side is simply that there are many other to compete with. But hey, I for one love competition as I am sure everyone does as I think it brings out the best in everyone.


"So, unless these women are eager to be the main breadwinner while the guy stays at home, I fail to see how a guy from South America, Asia or the Middle East -zones where the income is A LOT lower than in the US - will be eager to pay a price an American man sees as too high.""

I would imagine there are many reasons. Perhaps a man wants to immigrate and no doubt marriage would help him establish citizenship. Perhaps they have already immigrated and want to date someone more familiar with the country. Perhaps it is a thrill to date women of other nationalities. Perhaps they have a hidden agenda. Perhaps it is just love or personal preference. Many reasons, some good and some bad.

Also, a man come immigrate and still date a "foreign" women just as I am sure many women who come into the country may wish to date "foreign" men, perhaps from their own homeland.

As for salaries, many professionals which earn less in other nations have their pay scale adjusted to reflect the new reality of the adopted country. Take a doctor. In their homeland they may receive a good salary which compared to the MUCH higher costs of living in the US seems very small. Upon getting a job in their profession their salary would adjust upwards to the domestic marketplace norms..


Again, in the end the marketplace dictates the price. Those whom offer little value and few "features" will have much fewer choices and will have to choose between an "alternative" or being single.

From a male perspective I can state, that global dating environment has never been better! There are many beautiful women of many coutnries to choose from, including "recent imports".

NYMOM said...

"So as you admit yourself, American women have priced themselves out of the market."

When did I admit that?

I just mentioned how many men in the west have morphed into stingy cheapskates recently. AND are often found these days going abroad to look for a better and cheaper deal.

My only fear is this is that you'll all wind up sticking your mojos all over the place and dragging back some new disease over here. Like what American soldiers did with drug resistant STDs in Vietman.

Actually during the Crusades you all brought back the plaque and leprosy from the Middle East.

God only know what you all will come back with this time.

NYMOM said...

"Besides, children of mixed marriages are often very beautiful/handsome."

Sometimes that the case, but not always.

Like many other old wives tales this one is not always true.

I know some very ugly adults who are the product of mixed marriages. So don't count on your children being particularly beautiful or handsome just because you married someone of a differing race.


"Just as an American man is able to go to South America, Asia or the Middle East, so too American women can go to other continents to find a husband."

Sure.

Typical male stupidity.

Males EVERYWHERE are the larger, stronger and more aggressive of every species as well as our own. Thus EVERY man in the world is in the same position relative to every female, no matter what part of the globe either one comes from. So operating from a position of both physical as well as financial strength, of course, MEN can go anywhere and chose anyone.

Women have to be a little more selective.

After all we could wind up dragging some terrorist or other deviant back here and getting him a citizenship through marriage. Then he'd be a menace to men here.

Get it...


"...both sexes have many other options available. For example, there is definitely a quickly increasing trend for men to start their own single-father families."

AND that can ONLY happen legitimately through adoption as men using other methods to have children, such as surrogate mothers, is equivalent to buying someone's child from them just because you have the money and they need money.

It's a high-tech form of purchasing other human beings from poorer people.

Morally and ethnically wrong.



"This is no different then woman who have and do use the option to start single-mother families."

No.

It's not the equivalent and it's very different.

As a mother who invests her body and emotional/physical well being in bearing a new life is ALWAYS the mother of her child. No matter whether the sperm donor is anonymous from a test tube, a one-night stand, or the angel Gabriel sneaking into her window in the middle of the night.

She is still a mother who has risked and invested herself in bringing forth a new life.

On the other hand, men who use surrogate mothers invest and risk NOTHING of themselves. Just a check...

Not to mention that most other countries as soon as they make the connection with how men from richer countries are coming there to take advantage of their female citizens will NOT continue allowing you to do it.

Not to mention the emotional and possibly physical damage you could do to these women by enticing them into bearing children that you'll just buy from them after birth.

I know of course, you don't give a rat's ass about that aspect of it, but I believe other people in these countries eventually will and put a stop to it.

So there is really no such thing as legitimate single fatherhood. Unless you adopt. Doing it any other way is stealing (through your stronger financial position) the children of some mother.

NYMOM said...

"So unless these women are eager to be the main breadwinner..."

The issues for American women going abroad for husbands is a far different one then the ones men face. After all women in ALL cultures and societies have been bred for centuries to be undemanding, passive, go along to get along with others, so pretty much women of every race and nationality can fit in anywhere.

Not so for men.

As you are the dominant beings in every society and would rarely, if ever, agree to accepting the lower place on the totem pole.

Even stay-at-home husbands STILL demand a say in family finances, where to vacation, whose family to spend the holidays with, etc.,

Rarely do they take the submissive role in the family, EVEN if they bring no money into the household. They still wish the entire household to revolve around them, although they are presumably in the submissive position.

People don't change their essential nature because they are unemployed.

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NYMOM said...

I erased your comment as I was forced to do once before when you started with the personal insults...

As usual and I've grown to expect it now...you tried to play the race card. The I'm old, bitter, ugly card. This is a hate site card, etc.,

AND just to let you know, going forward any comments NOT related to what is the main focus of this blog will be erased. As usual when I let you deviate from the mission here, you take advantage and then turn abusive.

AND just to remind those of you who don't know or are pretending to know the topic is NOT about the world revolving around MEN, but about women in their role as mothers.

NYMOM said...

Nat: I appreciate your observations, as I too noticed how it was immediately assumed that a woman who hired a housekeeper was just lazy.

The person I was talking about is the Chief Financial Officer of a restaurant management corporation with restaurants in different states. So, no, she has no time to clean a house. Not to mention that she's asthmatic and needs her house dust free when she's in it. So she needs a housekeeper even when she's traveling to keep the dust to a minumum.

Hopefully you didn't see that ugly comment that anonymous posted before I erased it...

Going forward I'm probably going to lock this thread as it's gotten out of control and frankly is turning into another place to bash mothers, which is not what this blog is about.

Actually, there are MANY other places this person can go to and do that.

My blog is unique in the sense that it's sole purpose is to defend women in their role as mothers and I'd like to keep it that way.

I frankly don't care if I have few or even no comments here, as that is not my goal. I consider just putting the stories and ideas out there to be enough. People can just let the ideas seep into their consciousness without commenting on them. Just thinking for once w/o running their mouth.

Nothing wrong with that.

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NYMOM said...

Well it looks like comments will be closed down for another month or so on all posts.

Sad.

The interesting part is the entire post entitled "Sensible Decision for Women who Wish to Become Mothers" was about Denmark's decision to allow single women to use anonymous donor sperm if they wished to have children. Unlike many of their European counterparts who are making it illegal for single women to access these services anymore.

YET as always 'all roads lead to Rome' and every single poster, save one, did nothing but talk about why women could NOT get men to marry them. Although this issue was a sideshow, which the post was not about...

Proving the central point of my post...that men expect women to stand around for 10, 15, even 20 years with our fingers up our butts waiting for THEM to make a move. Will they marry us before our eggs get hard boiled or find someone else after we waited around for years for them to make a decision? NOW in Denmark, at least, women don't have to wait anymore. They can chose to start their families when they are ready.

AND men can go back to doing all the important things they do everyday, like watching reruns of Monday football, weekend paintball wars or hanging around the nearest street corner searching for that elusive nickle bag of pure Columbian weed.