Saturday, December 11, 2004

Another Lie about Mothers Exposed

The following excerpt was taken from another website..

I thought it was good however to show that fathers make accusations that are false 21% of the time versus mothers who make false accusations only 1.3% of the time...

Yet women are routinely smeared, even by professionals, as making most false accusations.

Another lie...

Two other points:

*74% of the accusations are made against fathers and only 1.3% of them are found to be false. While only 13% of them are made against mothers with another 7% against boyfriends or male step-persons and 21% of these accusations are found to be false.

So just as with every other crime men outnumber women almost 20x...

*This study ONLY included family law cases. They excluded child protection and actual criminal decisions. But what do you want to bet that the number would have featured even MORE fathers lying if they included those cases since everything to do with crime and deviant behavior MEN outnumber women by about 30 to one. This is true worldwide, by the way.

So it's not a cultural thing either as some will try to say.



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Are Allegations of Sexual Abuse That Arise During Child Custody Disputes More Likely to Be False?

An Annotated Review of the Research Bala, N. & Schuman, J. (2000).

Allegations of sexual abuse when parents have separated.

Canadian Family Law Quarterly, 17, 191-241.

Excerpt: Canadian Family Law Judgments: Nicholas Bala and John Schuman, two Queen's University law professors, reviewed judges' written decisions in 196 cases between 1990 and 1998 where allegations of either physical or sexual abuse were raised in the context of parental separation. Only family law cases were considered; child protection and criminal decisions were excluded.

The study showed that the judges felt that only a third of unproven cases of child abuse stemming from custody battles involve someone deliberately lying in court.

In these cases, the judges found that fathers were more likely to fabricate the accusations than mothers.

Of female-initiated allegations, just 1.3% were deemed intentionally false by civil courts, compared with 21% when the man in the failed relationship brought similar allegations.

The cases involved 262 alleged child victims (74% of them alleged sexual abuse). Thirty-two percent of these children were under 5 years of age, 46% were 5 to 9 years of age, 13% were 10 or older; for 9% the age was not specified.

About 71% of the allegations were made by mothers (64% custodial and 6% non-custodial), 17% were by fathers (6% custodial and 11% non-custodial), 2% were from grandparents or foster parents.

In about 9% of the cases the child was the prime instigator of the allegations.

This study found that fathers were most likely to be accused of abuse (74%), followed by mothers (13%), mother's boyfriend or stepfather (7%), grandparent (3%) and other relatives, including siblings (3%).

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6 comments:

goodnough said...

Though I understand and appreciate your mission, I think you have some of your facts wrong.

Nearly 75% of accusations are made by women. Thus, even if women lie only half as often, there are still more cases where women have lied than when men have lied in total.

Furthermore, you confuse the term "proven false" with being false. When a woman accuses a man of abuse the claim is often impossible to disprove and the man is assumed guilty. Thus, in many cases women make false claims that are never disproven.

I can tell you one such case: my stepfather. He spent years of his life and hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting a false accusation by a woman who manipulated the system to better her chances of getting custody of their child. Though he was eventually vindicated, it took him to the edge of bankruptcy.

Your site seems to be so heavy handed in its idea that women are perpetually the victims that you miss the point as well.

NYMOM said...

"Nearly 75% of accusations are made by women. Thus, even if women lie only half as often, there are still more cases where women have lied than when men have lied in total."

I understand that MOST accusations are against men, which, of course, makes sense as men commit most crime...and just about ALL sexual abuse crimes.

I'm sure you wouldn't argue that point...

Additionally, I'm quite certain that if I had argued total numbers you or someone else would have argued percentages. But since I argued percentages, you are arguing numbers...I argued what I had, percentages...

Also according to percentages women lied 1.3% of the time, men 21% of the time...so it's not HALF AS OFTEN...but again almost 20 to 1 with lying...so NO women, arguing with either numbers or percentages, DO NOT lie more then men.

For instance:

200 complaints x 1% lying = 2 women lying.

200 complaints x 20% lying = 40 men lying.

(I evened out the actually percentages that were in the article to make the calculations simplier but I think I made my point.)

So sorry you are wrong with either numbers or percentages..


"Furthermore, you confuse the term "proven false" with being false. When a woman accuses a man of abuse the claim is often impossible to disprove and the man is assumed guilty. Thus, in many cases women make false claims that are never disproven."

Yes, we all know that mistakes happen...but you expect me to believe, with no proof except your word, that more often then not MOST MEN accused of this are just guilty of scheming women...

Sorry...but I don't...

I, myself, was sexually abused as a child and the man was not brought to justice because just the opposite of what you say happens. If there is no proof, the case is unfounded or dismissed. The burden of proof rests with the 74% of women who make the charge to prove it NOT the other way around. So if the charge is "never disproven" as you phrase it men are NOT assumed guilty...Just the opposite and many of these men wind up with custody just because the charge was made and no one COULD prove it.

So it's NOT what you say at all...


"I can tell you one such case: my stepfather. He spent years of his life and hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting a false accusation by a woman who manipulated the system to better her chances of getting custody of their child. Though he was eventually vindicated, it took him to the edge of bankruptcy."

Well sorry for your stepfather but again personal stories do NOT prove anything...just that he happened to have children with an a@@hole...and that's on him...OR maybe he was emotionally abusive, as I consider ANY man who fights for custody (unless the child's mother is abusive or negligent) to be...Women invest more in children and thus, as expected, will fight to keep them using whatever tools they have...especially considering the current situation with men fighting for custody now to avoid paying child support...

No mother is going to sign off on her children being used in this manner...and I don't blame them.

Anyway not knowing your stepfather I can't say...but a few personal stories don't tell us much...which is why I rarely use them here...although I could since men commit thousands of crimes against women and children everyday BUT unless the story contributes something MORE to my site then just the simply gory fact that it happened, I don't use it...


"Your site seems to be so heavy handed..."

Well it would be a little 'heavy-handed' towards mothers as you call it since this IS a site about women in their role as mothers...so clearly I'm an advocate for mothers...

goodnough said...

Again... you seem confused. Saying that a scant percentage of women's claims are proven false is not the same as saying that a scant percentage of women's claims actually are false.

Feel free to quote your 1.3% figure. It means nothing.

Then again, this site amounts to little more than a rant that is so extreme that it does little more than reveal your personal issues and biases.

NYMOM said...

"Again... you seem confused. Saying that a scant percentage of women's claims are proven false is not the same as saying that a scant percentage of women's claims actually are false."

Well then what criteria would you use to disprove, prove or really say anything about this situation or any other? Obviously if you can't prove something, you can't say it's so...We are ONLY speaking here on what can be and has already been PROVEN from a Canadian study, not from me just pulling a figure out of a hat.

This is a snapshot I'll agree... nevertheless snapshots can be useful, even in statistics to show SOMETHING... and a 20 to 1 disparity in accusations being PROVEN to be false probably demonstrates (even if we don't know the exact numbers yet because we can't as you said prove or disprove EVERY claim) nevertheless from the selected snapshot, it appears that a much larger group of men then women make false accusations.

It's pretty simple really...Actually since men make so few claims it's probably easier to prove or disprove their cases...so I'm guessing that 21% claim is pretty accurate for men making false accusations...The burden on you now would be to show me a similar study that demonstrated the 1.3% claim for mothers making false accusation is higher...and I mean a real study here, not some phony expert or fathers rights advocate coming up with their own phony stats to smear mothers with.

It appears that I'm arguing using numbers from a group of researchers and you're arguing using something that you THINK is probably happening, but can't prove or disprove...

Well it happened to your stepfather so now you're an authority on mothers making false accusations, I suppose. Well guess what: I was sexualy abused as a kid and the man got away with it, YET I still wait until someone else comes up with the figures showing me that women do NOT lie about these accusations as much as the media has claimed...since I would never presume, from my own personal experience, that I was an expert on men lying about sexual abuse...

I think that's the main point you are missing here as those numbers are not MINE... as you keep trying to imply. They are the claims of a group of reputable Canadian researchers...

Think about it...

goodnough said...
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NYMOM said...

Sorry but I warned you. I just erased your last two comments. They were trying to fall into the emotional abuse range and I'm just not standing for it...