I love how people, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, continue to believe that we are seeing some sort of Renaissance in these parts of the world that practice discrimination against women and infanticide...
Sad, that they can't face the truth...
I posted this in 2006 and the West has been doing nothing for the last few years but putting out fires in these places using our own military as a sort-of super police force in both Asia and North Africa...
Yet there are still those who believe that these societies are functioning examples for the West to follow...
Unbelievable...
SATURDAY, JULY 15, 2006
Too Little, Too Late to Save These Societies from Retribution for their Crimes Against Their Sisters
After observing the events in the mid-east and throughout Asia this week, I think it is a good time to repost this particular blog entry, less we forget the ultimate consequences of fooling around with nature's grand design. In every species, including our own, (until recently) females have always made up the bulk of the population. For anyone with any common sense whatsoever, it's pretty obvious why. Too many males = too many alphas: too much infighting within the species over territory, access to females, resources; too many dominance displays leading to death and injury, etc.,
When we attempt to play God, we ultimately only fool ourselves. Forgetting that we are JUST another group of living beings on the planet earth, more intelligent perhaps, but at the end of the day just another link in the evolutionary chain.
We forget the essence of humanity at our peril. We are not Gods but just another species of living beings on the planet.
India Sex Selection Doctor Jailed
A doctor in India and his assistant have been sentenced to two years in jail for revealing the sex of a female foetus and then agreeing to abort it.
This is the first time medical professionals have been jailed in such a case.
Under Indian laws, ultrasound tests on a pregnant woman to determine the gender of the foetus are illegal.
It has been estimated that 10m female foetuses may have been terminated in India in the past 20 years.
Dr Anil Sabhani and Kartar Singh were caught in a sting operation in the northern state of Haryana.
Government officials sent in three pregnant women as decoy patients to find out if the clinic would carry out abortions based on sex selection.
Audio and video evidence showed the doctor telling one woman that tests had revealed that she was carrying a "female foetus and it would be taken care of".
A cultural preference for sons over daughters has skewed India's sex ratio.
But convictions are rare due to lax and corrupt officials and the slow judicial system.
The government brought in laws 12 years ago to stop the practice of aborting female foetuses.
Social evil
The president of the Indian Medical Association (IMA), a grouping of doctors, Dr Vinay Agarwal said the convictions were "historical".
"The medical profession is doing all it can though we have to address this as a social evil. People should be proud to have a girl child," he said.
The northern states of Punjab and Haryana have some of the worst gender ratios in India.
There are about 861 women for every 1,000 men in Haryana, according to the census. The national average is 927 women to 1,000 men.
The national average has gone down from 972 in 1901 to just 933 in 2001, according to reports.
Earlier this year researchers in India and Canada said in the Lancet journal that prenatal selection and selective abortion was causing the loss of 500,000 girl births a year.
If this is true, 10m female births may have been lost in India over the past two decades.
Indian doctors, however, disputed the report saying pre-birth gender checks had waned since a Supreme Court crackdown in 2001.
Tradition
Leading campaigners say many of India's fertility clinics continue to offer a seemingly legitimate facade for a multi-billion pound racket and that gender determination is still big business in India.
Experts in India say female foeticide is mostly linked to socio-economic factors.
It is an idea that many say carries over from the time India was a predominantly agrarian society where boys were considered an extra pair of hands on the farm.
The girl child has traditionally been considered inferior and a liability - a bride's dowry can cripple a poor family financially.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4855682.stm
This is good of course, but far too little, far too late.
Yes doctors and other medical personnel involved should be arrested. But the technology must be removed as well. As quite frankly that region of the world has demonstrated by their behavior, that they are not fully mature enough as societies to have free access to all technology since they behaved irrresponsibly with sonogram machines. They used them for sex selection MILLIONS OF TIMES and thus, created an inbalance of millions of men in their societies.
Thus a refusal to sell them sonogram machines or parts to repair the ones they currrently have as they break must be instituted. This boycott should include other technology as well, including military as if they couldn’t handle a sonogram machine, they can’t handle any military technology either, especially nuclear.
That’s for sure.
The other issue is I wish they would stop pointing to the dowry as being implicated in this, as the dowry tradition has NOTHING to do with this.
Nothing.
It’s a complete red herring, strawman, whatever…
As we in the west have the same dowry tradition and have more women then men in our society. Actually the dowry tradition here has morphed into women, if they wish a big wedding, to pay for most of it themselves and with the cost of a wedding today, well basically you are spending your dowry on the wedding with flowers, dress, reception, honeymoon, etc., It has NOT turned into parents trying to murder girl babies in order not to help them pay for their wedding. The whole assertion is ridiculous and just another attempt by men (in Asia this time, although our men do the same at every opportunity) to shift the blame from something they did themselves and try to put it on historical forces, over which they supposedly have no control.
Total and complete baloney.
Additionally China, which has NO dowry tradition (they have a bride price to be paid when they get married) is in the exact same situation as India. Actually I just had a dicussion a while back with a good friend of mine from China. She’s been here about ten years and was very excited, as she has a son and just found out that here the bride’s family pays for the wedding.
I didn’t have the heart to tell her with so many women marrying so late, that most of the women I know (myself included) pay for the wedding themselves AND frequently ask for some rather LARGE contribution from the groom and/or his family.
Oh well.
Anyway, both countries India and China (with two totally different traditions) have condemned themselves to years of social chaos by messing around with mother nature and causing an inbalance of men in their society. It’s not any tradition of either place that has done this, but the selfishness of modern-day men.
Well, what else is new.
Just reading “Bare Branches” by Valerie Hudson demonstrates how most of Asia shot themselves in the proverbial foot and now will be facing decades of civil unrest, high crime rates, wars, etc., Actually it’s no coincidence that many recruits for terrorism come from societies that have also done the same thing as India and China, places such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Perverting all of the technology western civilization sold them to monitor the health of mothers and using it to abort girl babies. Now the resulting overflow of young men with no wives around to divert them into family life are fertile ground to be recruited into every quirky movement from Al Queda to Prestor John’s ultra-religious revival.
One only has to look at the most recent TV newsfeeds featuring all of these surplus men in Asia created when they murdered their sisters, as they span the continent from the Gaza Strip right through to North Korea, chanting like idiots or marching in goose step to their doom. Asia is finally reaping the bloody harvest from the decades they continued spitting in the face of mother nature and now her terrible retribution has begun. The chaos this continent is descending into this week is just the beginning of their final agony.
Anyway, these regions are going to be living with their decisions now for the next couple of decades, maybe centuries. I just know one thing, they better not be trying to export the problems they have created to the west either…
The important thing for those of us in the west to remember is NOT to allow this part of the world to drag the rest of us down with them. They have brought this punishment on themselves THROUGH THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS and must bear the brunt of it ALONE as well.
We have no idea where this will end, but we need to step back and let justice take it's hard but fair course without interference.
When we attempt to play God, we ultimately only fool ourselves. Forgetting that we are JUST another group of living beings on the planet earth, more intelligent perhaps, but at the end of the day just another link in the evolutionary chain.
We forget the essence of humanity at our peril. We are not Gods but just another species of living beings on the planet.
India Sex Selection Doctor Jailed
A doctor in India and his assistant have been sentenced to two years in jail for revealing the sex of a female foetus and then agreeing to abort it.
This is the first time medical professionals have been jailed in such a case.
Under Indian laws, ultrasound tests on a pregnant woman to determine the gender of the foetus are illegal.
It has been estimated that 10m female foetuses may have been terminated in India in the past 20 years.
Dr Anil Sabhani and Kartar Singh were caught in a sting operation in the northern state of Haryana.
Government officials sent in three pregnant women as decoy patients to find out if the clinic would carry out abortions based on sex selection.
Audio and video evidence showed the doctor telling one woman that tests had revealed that she was carrying a "female foetus and it would be taken care of".
A cultural preference for sons over daughters has skewed India's sex ratio.
But convictions are rare due to lax and corrupt officials and the slow judicial system.
The government brought in laws 12 years ago to stop the practice of aborting female foetuses.
Social evil
The president of the Indian Medical Association (IMA), a grouping of doctors, Dr Vinay Agarwal said the convictions were "historical".
"The medical profession is doing all it can though we have to address this as a social evil. People should be proud to have a girl child," he said.
The northern states of Punjab and Haryana have some of the worst gender ratios in India.
There are about 861 women for every 1,000 men in Haryana, according to the census. The national average is 927 women to 1,000 men.
The national average has gone down from 972 in 1901 to just 933 in 2001, according to reports.
Earlier this year researchers in India and Canada said in the Lancet journal that prenatal selection and selective abortion was causing the loss of 500,000 girl births a year.
If this is true, 10m female births may have been lost in India over the past two decades.
Indian doctors, however, disputed the report saying pre-birth gender checks had waned since a Supreme Court crackdown in 2001.
Tradition
Leading campaigners say many of India's fertility clinics continue to offer a seemingly legitimate facade for a multi-billion pound racket and that gender determination is still big business in India.
Experts in India say female foeticide is mostly linked to socio-economic factors.
It is an idea that many say carries over from the time India was a predominantly agrarian society where boys were considered an extra pair of hands on the farm.
The girl child has traditionally been considered inferior and a liability - a bride's dowry can cripple a poor family financially.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4855682.stm
This is good of course, but far too little, far too late.
Yes doctors and other medical personnel involved should be arrested. But the technology must be removed as well. As quite frankly that region of the world has demonstrated by their behavior, that they are not fully mature enough as societies to have free access to all technology since they behaved irrresponsibly with sonogram machines. They used them for sex selection MILLIONS OF TIMES and thus, created an inbalance of millions of men in their societies.
Thus a refusal to sell them sonogram machines or parts to repair the ones they currrently have as they break must be instituted. This boycott should include other technology as well, including military as if they couldn’t handle a sonogram machine, they can’t handle any military technology either, especially nuclear.
That’s for sure.
The other issue is I wish they would stop pointing to the dowry as being implicated in this, as the dowry tradition has NOTHING to do with this.
Nothing.
It’s a complete red herring, strawman, whatever…
As we in the west have the same dowry tradition and have more women then men in our society. Actually the dowry tradition here has morphed into women, if they wish a big wedding, to pay for most of it themselves and with the cost of a wedding today, well basically you are spending your dowry on the wedding with flowers, dress, reception, honeymoon, etc., It has NOT turned into parents trying to murder girl babies in order not to help them pay for their wedding. The whole assertion is ridiculous and just another attempt by men (in Asia this time, although our men do the same at every opportunity) to shift the blame from something they did themselves and try to put it on historical forces, over which they supposedly have no control.
Total and complete baloney.
Additionally China, which has NO dowry tradition (they have a bride price to be paid when they get married) is in the exact same situation as India. Actually I just had a dicussion a while back with a good friend of mine from China. She’s been here about ten years and was very excited, as she has a son and just found out that here the bride’s family pays for the wedding.
I didn’t have the heart to tell her with so many women marrying so late, that most of the women I know (myself included) pay for the wedding themselves AND frequently ask for some rather LARGE contribution from the groom and/or his family.
Oh well.
Anyway, both countries India and China (with two totally different traditions) have condemned themselves to years of social chaos by messing around with mother nature and causing an inbalance of men in their society. It’s not any tradition of either place that has done this, but the selfishness of modern-day men.
Well, what else is new.
Just reading “Bare Branches” by Valerie Hudson demonstrates how most of Asia shot themselves in the proverbial foot and now will be facing decades of civil unrest, high crime rates, wars, etc., Actually it’s no coincidence that many recruits for terrorism come from societies that have also done the same thing as India and China, places such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Perverting all of the technology western civilization sold them to monitor the health of mothers and using it to abort girl babies. Now the resulting overflow of young men with no wives around to divert them into family life are fertile ground to be recruited into every quirky movement from Al Queda to Prestor John’s ultra-religious revival.
One only has to look at the most recent TV newsfeeds featuring all of these surplus men in Asia created when they murdered their sisters, as they span the continent from the Gaza Strip right through to North Korea, chanting like idiots or marching in goose step to their doom. Asia is finally reaping the bloody harvest from the decades they continued spitting in the face of mother nature and now her terrible retribution has begun. The chaos this continent is descending into this week is just the beginning of their final agony.
Anyway, these regions are going to be living with their decisions now for the next couple of decades, maybe centuries. I just know one thing, they better not be trying to export the problems they have created to the west either…
The important thing for those of us in the west to remember is NOT to allow this part of the world to drag the rest of us down with them. They have brought this punishment on themselves THROUGH THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS and must bear the brunt of it ALONE as well.
We have no idea where this will end, but we need to step back and let justice take it's hard but fair course without interference.
posted by NYMOM | Saturday, July 15, 2006 
5 Comments:
Look, I don't want to rattle your tree or anything, but there's some pretty big mis-assumptions in this post of yours.
Some of these things I shall reveal, you may find shocking - so hang-on to your chair Grandma.
But first let me agree with your opinion that jiggering the male/female population to reduce female numbers is not beneficial for men. Indeed it should be the other way around. Indeed, populations need to have the female numbers increased two, three, or even four fold. This way each man can have several women to work for him and to bear his children. He of course could live a life of leisure whilst his women folk toiled and pleasured him. This is of course as it should be as you correctly point out.
However, here are the things that are likely to concern you some.
Shock No 1 - We don't need to sell India sonogram machines, nor parts to repair them. You see, having all those men around in India has lead to a technological boom there. The men in India have no problem whatsoever in making their own high tech machines and in fact, they even sell them to us here in the west.
Shock No 2 - We don't have to sell them sharp end weapons either. They make their own. And don't you go thinking that they can't create and manufacture their own nuclear bombs. India has had their own indigenous nuclear industries, including weapons (and the missiles to deliver them) for at least the last two decades. Yep, that's right - India is a nuclear power. In fact both India and China both have highly developed massive armies with very pointy-end technologies and if combined they could easily match and challenge us here the west.
They don't need our technology. They've got lots of creative and inventive clever MEN who invent and create things - like the west used to have before feminism castrated its male population.
Shock No 3 - India and China are very unlikely to experience "years of social chaos" as you suggest, in the future. Why? Well simply this...
Both India and China are absolutely exploding with technological and futuristic developments, the likes of which the US and the west has failed to achieve because of stuffing around with feminism and dumbing down boys at school, etc. Over the next few decades, India and China will emerge as the two greatest powers in the history of the planet, ever.
Don't worry, I don't think they'll do us any harm. They'll be too busy selling us their nice inventions, goods and commodities and living the good life.
But what about their lack of women? - I hear you say.
Well, with all that power and money - affluence - do you really think that they're going to be womanless? Of course they will not. Western women - of which there are far too many already who can't find a man - will be clawing each other to pieces in their frantic race to attach themselves to nice rich and powerful Asian gentlemen.
You see, Grandma, you really don't have a clue about what's really happening in the world today and how devastating feminist Marxism has been to the Western world.
Can't happen? - you say.
Start reading the news more often, dear. It already has. Have you checked the latest US balance of payments statistics lately? Guess who's in debt and guess who they owe money to.
Okay...
I'm sure you've from the same group of thinkers who predicted an Islamic Renaissance as soon as we realized how much oil they had and how much wealth it would generate relative to their populations numbers...and look where that led.
They used most of their oil wealth to buy weapons and fight endless wars over nothing with each other...that's when they weren't killing their girl children and plotting the destruction of both Israel and/or the west...
The state of the arab countries are a microcoism of what we are going to see on a much larger scale in both India and China as this problem plays itself out over the next several decades.
Read Valerie Hudson's book "Bare Branches" for some insight into this situation...
Okay.
A balance sheet does NOT change anything essential about human nature.
i hate to interupt your man hating and the delight at the prospect of these countries full of terrible evil men suffering the fate they deserve for selecting male children over female children but a few points as well:
all the suffering will not only be for men in these countries but women as well.
AND it wont be limited to these countries. they are world superpowers and the chaos if it happens will spill over to other places including here. so your precious western feminists will have their utopia upset. AND
these things, while morally wrong to abort female babies over male, will have it's upside. a huge worforce full of productive men instead of selfish narcissistic women draining it of resources and money will advance them even further. while we worship at the feet of women who are only concerned with what society and men can do for them, india and china will be a juggernaut of production. AND
the population problems in these countries will be solved in a civilized way instead of the slow agonizing self absorbed entitlement suffering we will experience.
you may not like gender selective abortions, i dont either but it will have its benefits. unlike you i don't advocate sitting back gloating while people who dont share the same views that i have suffer. you have pretense of being this wise, all knowing and compassionate human being but i think you are a sub human idealogue, no better than a nazi sympathizer.
But only time will tell which one of us is right...
So we'll just have to wait and see...