tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post7777195267395549470..comments2023-07-28T07:44:40.802-04:00Comments on Women as Mothers: Okay, another Re-Post on an Important IssueNYMOMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-7378073253007157052009-08-10T08:27:51.122-04:002009-08-10T08:27:51.122-04:00Well Anonymous I'm glad that your children ros...Well Anonymous I'm glad that your children rose to the occasion; however, not all children are so strong willed nor are all stay-at-home mothers so fortunate...and I don't see it getting better anytime soon especially since so many gender neutral careerist women have flooded our legal system...they either have no kids or pay no attention to the ones they do have so they are extremely cruel to any women who come before them who are mothers.<br /><br />I have said many times is that one goal mothers must work towards is a clean sweep of our legal system of these gender neutralized feminists...as they do nothing good for mothers yet expect our support for their own career issues.NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-17217793847960317742009-08-06T18:01:19.756-04:002009-08-06T18:01:19.756-04:00Thank you for your blog. I almost lost custody to ...Thank you for your blog. I almost lost custody to a husband who abandoned his kids, cut off the grocery and other money (actually shared marital property!), moved out and dated, and was sporadically violent. The courts looked down on me as a stay-at-home mother and wanted me to have "child free" time. A miracle - my kids themselves and their heroism - saved the day. I could not believe the attitudes I faced from the law. I was college educated, but was a housewife and almost a "prairie muffin" as that is what my husband said he wanted - until we got to court. His career was taking off and he wanted to run with a flashier crowd. Instead of upgrading me, it was easier to go shopping for a new wife. I believe it was society that encouraged him to do this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-58172806260644601452009-06-22T21:09:41.094-04:002009-06-22T21:09:41.094-04:00I'd like to know the whole truth about the MRS...I'd like to know the whole truth about the MRS degrees too, PK. I've been looking around some but I can't find sources that break it down in this manner.<br /><br />But about the Bible Belt...<br /><br />I've lived both in the far north and the deep south. In the north it was not at all unusual for guys to wait till their mid-30s to marry. But in the deep south guys like me were a rather scarce commodity because most people were married off by their early to mid 20s.<br /><br />Which of course leaves a lot of time for wifey to "outgrow" her husband and go "find herself."<br /><br />And the Bible Belt has a larger uneducated population too.<br /><br />IMO less education and younger ages at first marriage account for most of the difference.<br /><br />It's a pretty interesting subject.<br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-84890592372726505272009-06-22T16:35:51.537-04:002009-06-22T16:35:51.537-04:00Richard asks NYMOM: "You were the one that po...Richard asks NYMOM: "You were the one that pointed out the higher divorce rates in the Bible Belt. What do YOU think accounts for that difference?"<br /><br />I really don't know Richard. It's possible, maybe, that BibleBelter women are going to college more and getting those degrees and then developing feminist attitudes? Another thing I noticed when I briefly lived in the belt was that while the regions were ultra-conservative, the cities were hotbeds of liberal thinking and commercials ran 24x7 for DV shelters and promises of easy, profitable divorce. Ohio, for example, has incredible incentives for women to make false accusations of abuse and file for divorce. <br /><br />Another reason for high divorce rates in the belt might be simply that such people marry more (The Elizabeth Taylor effect). <br /><br />I would like you to clarify if there's a difference in these staistics between mere MRS degrees (women having degrees but not using them for high paying careers) and women with careers and degrees. They might now just be a sign of social or ethnic groups.PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-89763930417632482562009-06-22T16:30:30.270-04:002009-06-22T16:30:30.270-04:00NYMOM, I read the forbes article a while ago (it w...NYMOM, I read the forbes article a while ago (it was paraded around on MRA sites!) <br /><br />Richard is claiming that recent statistics show that "educated" women are divorcing less and marrying more or at least compared to non-"educated" women. I'm inclined to believe him due to recent floods of lesser educated immigrants with high out-of-wedlock births and divorces. On the other hand, it's entirely possible the forbes article is correct at least for white women and men in that educated white women are having more problems than before. Anecdotal evidence seems to suggest the latter.<br /><br />In answer to your question as to why we care so much... if women are having a harder time marrying and feel stress from post-feminist policies, then it will mean political changes that will impact our lives. We're thinking ahead of the curve. I, for one, don't want a bailout for unwed mothers just as you may not want a bailout for fortune 500 executives who blew trillions on real estate. I chuckle that Obama has given the latter more than the former. Think about how pays his political campaign donations...<br /><br />I don't think educated and non-educated women have the same outcomes but just the opposite: A working class woman whose already half-foot in the door with the welfare state may act more recklessly than an educated woman who may not want to rock the boat and risk affecting her middle class lifestyle. Or the opposite also takes effect: There are middle class career women who walk on a dime when men offend them because they have mad money. On the other hand... such women may not get married to begin with or have children because if they don't like cleaning up after a man, why would they want to clean up after a child?<br /><br />I know a woman lawyer who felt this way and she hit her 40's and thought about going the sperm bank route and... didn't because she was so busy with her career. I think it's admirable she just didn't dive in, have the kid, and then dump them with an illegal immigrant nanny to save a few bucks. I suspect that's happening quite a bit and statistics indicate that middle class married women are almost as "conservative" as white males.PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-15509031993741045342009-06-22T16:15:35.603-04:002009-06-22T16:15:35.603-04:00NY, can we quit with this "invested" bus...NY, can we quit with this "invested" business?<br /><br />I'm just talking about facts that anyone can look up.<br /><br />Sure, educated women may have FEWER children. I'd have to look it up to be sure, but it sounds right. But according to our most recent government data they are just as likely to HAVE KIDS as uneducated ones.<br /><br />And the kids they do have are much more likely to be winners than those born into lower classes.<br /><br />Quality vs. quantity.<br /><br />Their divorce rate is not higher. They are more likely to divorce if they outearn their husbands than if they are more or less equally matched, but that's a matter of rates WITHIN the pool of educated women.<br /><br />As a group they are less likely to divorce than uneducated women. And twice as likely as they were a thirty years ago to have restrictive view on divorce.<br /><br />You were the one that pointed out the higher divorce rates in the Bible Belt. What do YOU think accounts for that difference?<br /><br />And the reason I care is because I want everyone to figure out what our best and brightest women have largely figured out on their own. Divorce (and unwed parenting, of course) is a shitpie for everyone.<br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-18357256616115001002009-06-22T13:11:05.702-04:002009-06-22T13:11:05.702-04:00I already stated that Richard could be half right....I already stated that Richard could be half right...educated women MIGHT get married as much as less educated ones, but their divorce rate is higher and they have fewer children...<br /><br />Did you even read this or just reactively respond to it. AND might I add, I still don't 'get it' why you and/or Richard care so much...<br /><br />You're both very invested now in acting like educated women have the same outcomes in family life as less-educated ones.NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-85658232156319349662009-06-22T12:05:37.713-04:002009-06-22T12:05:37.713-04:00Richard and I have fought it out on your blog, NYM...Richard and I have fought it out on your blog, NYMOM, as to whether educated women's marriage rates are going up (and divorce rates going down) or whether it's due to a statistical aberration. Here are some explanations:<br /><br />Marriage rates are going down across the board for ALL women so this may be similar to a grading curve.<br /><br />"Educated women" tend to be of a higher class and use online resources to meet the traditional breadwinners nearly all women crave. For a short period of time during the 90's, this wasn't the case since they had shot themselves in the foot with sexual harassment legislation which discouraged professional men from asking them out in the workplace and regarded online dating as distasteful. However, working class and traditional women are catching up. That brings us to:<br /><br />The famous Hewlett study/book that Richard refers to as "outdated" referred to a specific subset of educated/professional women of the ultra-educated variety. Richard defines "educated" women as those with a college diploma which may include women who traditionally (pun intended) got "Mrs degrees" and English literature diplomas and aren't fundamentally different than traditional women in their thinking. On the other hand, ultra educated/professional women are still having a hard time marrying up as ever and it's going to get worse.<br /><br />Women avoided the online personals because, in the long run, it gives an advantage to men since the men don't need to risk rejection to see whether a particular woman of a certain degree of attractiveness is available. In the short run, therefore, "educated" women are marrying more but men are also increasing their own demands (from what I hear from that generation.) Also, these resources are becoming more popular with the mainstream (this blog is a great example of that.)PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-37075701805246379232009-06-21T21:39:11.284-04:002009-06-21T21:39:11.284-04:00Scholarships4moms.net can help divorced women, sin...<a href="www.scholarships4moms.net" rel="nofollow">Scholarships4moms.net</a> can help divorced women, single moms to get financial aid grant or grants for continuing education. Please visit our site now.s4mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283810949279566441noreply@blogger.com