tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post4213238427572625329..comments2023-07-28T07:44:40.802-04:00Comments on Women as Mothers: Interesting RetrospectiveNYMOMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-14765974005862350352009-08-07T02:42:58.354-04:002009-08-07T02:42:58.354-04:00BWAAAAA HAHAHAHAHA! OMG, I think I just about died...BWAAAAA HAHAHAHAHA! OMG, I think I just about died laughing! Nice try Polish Knight, but your the epitome of the "stereotypical guy who dates foreign women". All your comments just parrot the same thing those losers in the article say. I swear all those guys were Polish Knight clones. LOL<br /><br />Well, NYMOM, I apologize for the "fighting", but I made my point. I won't be commenting on this particular post anymore so I don't "distract" Polish Knight. He might stroke out or something if he keeps projecting his feelings on to me. Good-bye.viragonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-91044725872160260942009-08-06T12:41:31.972-04:002009-08-06T12:41:31.972-04:00See NYMOM, this is what I'm talking about! Vi...See NYMOM, this is what I'm talking about! Virago/Kimberly, that's a real tempting morsel you put out there. I'm going to bite but I'll try to make this interesting...<br /><br />For the record, I learned Polish and Russian (along with some German) BEFORE going to Ukraine which, as it turned out, was something I hadn't intended to do (I am of Polish ancestry and usually dated Polish girls but I met my wife through match.com and decided to meet her because she's so great). She laughs that we're an "interracial" marriage. In other words, I wasn't the stereotypical mail-order catalogue guy featured in this article (which really is a liberal commentary of a liberal journalist's view of these men). I was able to get my own apartment at local prices rather than hotels, traveled on the bus from Poland, etc.<br /><br />I personally advise American men considering marrying a foreign woman to do their homework rather than rely totally on agencies. The journalist in this article made an ugly, hypocritical slur of Ukrainian women by trying to imply that they're "submissive" because they're desperate which is part of the truth, but ignores the fact that foreign cultures such as this often do have strong traditional elements that America now lacks. Consider that there are plenty of desperate American women in inner cities or 30 something low income or unwed mothers, for instance, but they are not viewed as traditional and submissive.<br /><br />The author's observations are of a sub-group of men appealing to his (and your) stereotype of a sub-group of men that date foreign women. Most of these men do not go on agency sponsored "speed date" events. Catalogues are largely used as pen-pal meeting resources and it's not uncommon for couples to exchange letters for a year or so before meeting. This actually was a common practice in the STATES before automobiles and cheap travel was around, actually. It's also becoming more popular in the states for couples to meet via match.com and the electronic personals which women frowned upon as little as 10 years ago (they viewed women and men who used the internet personals as "losers" who couldn't meet someone at work or through friends or by "fate" and chance.)<br /><br />The author (who is merely quoting an article HE read) who says that these men have entitlement attitudes reveals his own attitude from his article that, well, he has rather low standards for women. He's been divorced three times, his wives took him for everything they could get, and he still blames himself and can't land a decent woman. He sounds like a wuss and, virago, he's available! So there's hope for you yet!<br /><br />Dammit! See what you made me do? (note, Virago, that's a joke. Everyone knows women have a poor sense of humor. :-)PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-24893308859628351522009-08-06T11:13:00.612-04:002009-08-06T11:13:00.612-04:00The kind of men who want women from the Ukraine:
...The kind of men who want women from the Ukraine:<br /><br />http://hugoboy.typepad.com/hugo_schwyzer/2006/07/male_despair_an.html<br /><br />Some quotes from the above cite:<br /><br />"I've thought hard about what it is that makes me so angry about these men in particular, and I've decided that it's the colossal sense of entitlement. Over and over again, the men Garin interviews claim that American women aren't giving American men what is their birthright: submissive, pleasing, beautiful, infinitely understanding companionship. In the Ukraine, a nation whose economy has forced countless young women into one form or another of prostitution, these men hope and expect to have the "natural order" of human relationships restored. The Ukraine, in the fervid fantasies of the middle-aged and the socially inept, represents an idyllic pre-feminist culture where women "still know their place". In a sense, traveling to Eastern Europe (or Southeast Asia, or South America, or wherever) is, in the hopes of these sad characters, an opportunity to live out their boyhood fantasies of time-travel."<br /><br />Another quote:<br /><br />"Just for a moment, reading the Harper's piece, my heart ached for these sad and lonely men. Beneath their misogyny, their rigid traditionalism, their anger, their misplaced sense of entitlement, beneath all of their crap lie vulnerable and hurting hearts of boys who never got to feel like the handsome prince. Without excusing their actions, I can genuinely empathize with that sadness, that woundedness, and that DESPERATION."<br /><br />"It's your blog, NYMOM, and if you think my battles with Virago are a distraction, I will try my best to restrain myself (but it's really tough! I mean, she really sets them up for me.)"<br /><br />Yep, put all the blame on the woman. Just like a REAL man. Figures!viragonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-62555689605353265932009-08-06T10:22:30.566-04:002009-08-06T10:22:30.566-04:00It's your blog, NYMOM, and if you think my bat...It's your blog, NYMOM, and if you think my battles with Virago are a distraction, I will try my best to restrain myself (but it's really tough! I mean, she really sets them up for me.) <br /><br />I believe that one of the biggest assets to growing personally, and convincing others (or at least educating them) of my opinion is to be as honest as possible. When someone doubts my sincerity, it causes a lot of fruitless redherrings on both sides. I also believe it's important to respect people's right to disagree with me. Of COURSE I think you're incorrect on a lot of things. But since I'm not God (I'm just made in His image, :-) I am not in a position to make that declaration. All I can do is appeal to your sense to come to the best conclusion you can and vice versa. <br /><br />If you had met me 20 years ago, I'm sure you'd see a lot of who I am now, but I also have also changed my mind in many ways. Some people would view that as a flaw (a flip flopper) but I see it as growth and a sign of an honest willingness to listen and change. <br /><br />So NYMOM, I want you to know that "I'm listening" (to quote Frasier Crane). Sometimes I don't fully understand your position, perhaps.PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-90221141849551736442009-08-05T11:22:44.825-04:002009-08-05T11:22:44.825-04:00I think you believe the things you say Polish Knig...I think you believe the things you say Polish Knight...I just question if they are correct...so I should have said 'correct' instead of 'honest'...that would have been more correct...<br /><br />BTW, I wish you would quit fighting with Virago. It detracts from your position to keep slinging one-liners at her.NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-64173225126567874422009-08-05T02:08:25.140-04:002009-08-05T02:08:25.140-04:00Viragi, ?!?!? Your response is less mature and co...Viragi, ?!?!? Your response is less mature and convincing then "That's what YOU are but what am I?" What "desperation?" I'm intrigued. Please feel invited to clarify and elaborate on that claim...PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-54766810090204674182009-08-05T01:34:23.268-04:002009-08-05T01:34:23.268-04:00"Virago's loneliness that she refuses to ..."Virago's loneliness that she refuses to face up to"<br /><br />Or Polish Knight's desperation that he refuses to face up to.viragonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-28184507976874703422009-08-04T04:55:02.012-04:002009-08-04T04:55:02.012-04:00NYMOM, I ought to feel hurt for you saying that I ...NYMOM, I ought to feel hurt for you saying that I rarely say honest things. I may say things you may disagree with or you may think I'm wrong, but I bend over backwards to be honest. I've said here that I'm not a great looking guy, for instance.PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-88724829692471207372009-08-04T04:53:40.440-04:002009-08-04T04:53:40.440-04:00Richard, I don't like the fertility argument b...Richard, I don't like the fertility argument because it's correlation rather than causation. Of course men like pretty women who also tend to be fertile. That doesn't make them brutes though. They can still want families and, importantly, want to work cooperatively with the mother to raise them.<br /><br />I like to argue that the sex urge has gotten a bad rap. We have urges to eat, for example, but that doesn't mean we need to be pigs or not find a way to enjoy these urges in a civilized manner. Restaurants and family dinners are actually social events. By the same token, the sex urge has given us fashion and beauty pageants. On the flip side, the extremist urge to have children in modern times, especially for single mothers, is the second worst social plague for mankind next to war. Baby rabies is responsible for most of the criminals including those that attack women.<br /><br />I know a number of bachelors hitting their 40's and they want to settle down with a nice woman but don't necessarily mind if they don't have children. They would probably think twice about settling down with an infertile woman, but only in the context of denying them a choice they may regret later (kind of like keeping their options open.) <br /><br />So yes, I would say that men who can't control their sex urge have a problem. They could harass women or get into trouble in other ways. I'll be the first to say that a young man needs to control that urge and it's important to have male role models to help guide them (that are missing in unwed mother households hence the high rate of rapist/criminals coming from them.) By the same token, amazingly, women from unwed mother households also seem to have problems dealing with their urges to both have sex and make babies even when welfare isn't a factor. They don't have socially constructive ways to express themselves.PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-14170782160555234562009-08-04T01:35:34.018-04:002009-08-04T01:35:34.018-04:00"Richard, I don't think men make deals wi..."Richard, I don't think men make deals with women to bear them kids...Men "contract" for loving, attentive spouses..."<br /><br />Up until everyone went off the deep end over "romantic" marriage a hundred or so years ago it was the ONLY reason to contract a marriage. People were nudged into this or that marriage by their families with a view to everyone's benefit, and yeah that often meant a wife who was no beauty but if she could have kids to farm with you and inherit the land later then she was good enough.<br /><br />But interesting that you should mention beauty, because what makes a women physically attractive to us often signals fertility as well.<br /><br />For my part I would NEVER have married if not for the expectation of a family. <br /><br />What would be the point? <br /><br />If all you want is a loving and attentive companion you can have that in your two-room apartment without any contract, and simply move on if one or the other ceases to be loving and attentive. No need for the over-priced, suburban home in the good school district, the college fund, the life insurance, and the list goes on. <br /><br />It doesn't take a lot of earning to get sex these days, contrary to what NY is suggesting.<br /><br />Hell, underclass women don't require any earning at all, thanks to Uncle Sam. That's the whole problem.<br /><br />R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-55038288711584902832009-08-03T17:10:59.649-04:002009-08-03T17:10:59.649-04:00Well that's one of the few honest things you&#...Well that's one of the few honest things you've admitted Polish Knight. It kind of goes back to what we discussed before about men making money (biggest antlers theory) to attract women...not really to support families, but basically to have more sex...<br /><br />It's interesting how men always like to give themselves the most noble motives for everything they do.NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-44161246921438842262009-08-03T16:47:13.328-04:002009-08-03T16:47:13.328-04:00Richard, I don't think men make deals with wom...Richard, I don't think men make deals with women to bear them kids. If that was the case, men would be as willing to marry ugly women to bear them children as with attractive ones. Duh! You're still thinking in chivalrous patronage terms.<br /><br />Men "contract" for loving, attentive spouses and, sadly, many of them got very little out of the deal for what they put in hence Virago's loneliness that she refuses to face up to. Then again, remember that the most popular restaurant in America is McDonalds...PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-16317423451763457422009-08-03T16:42:54.371-04:002009-08-03T16:42:54.371-04:00Virago, far more foreign children adopted by Ameri...Virago, far more foreign children adopted by American women die of abuse compared to foreign brides yet you don't seem terribly concerned about outlawing foreign adoptions... Same thing with abuse statistics showing that mothers are more likely to harm children than fathers. <br /><br />Such abuse cases are a minority by the state department's own statistics (showing that 80% of foreign bride marriages last past 7 years). <br /><br />Hmmm, interesting how you seem to BELIEVE the claims of supposed abused foreign brides when they have motivations to get a green card and free housing for making such claims but believe that men are fools for believing they are in love with them for the same motivations...<br /><br />I note you still haven't addressed your rather poor personal life. Don't worry! Mr. Big is out there!PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-20550834585552791942009-08-03T14:15:34.134-04:002009-08-03T14:15:34.134-04:00"And yes, foreign women do turn heads and pro..."And yes, foreign women do turn heads and provide men what they want: attractive women who appreciate and provide for them in a traditional way in reciprocation for what the men are expected to provide as breadwinners. In other words, they treat men FAIR"<br /><br />Yeah, until they complain of abuse by their American husbands-than you call them liars just like you do American women. Your so full of shit!viragonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-703139978274416412009-08-03T11:33:08.714-04:002009-08-03T11:33:08.714-04:00"One of the cutest myths in modern times is t..."One of the cutest myths in modern times is the notion of free or "soulmate" love."<br /><br />Amen, PK. Few things make me madder than that "soulmate" crap. Both married and single people are making themselves miserable over it and destroying their kids' families over it. And there's no such thing.<br /><br />"I give you stuff/you give me kids" has been the true bottom line of marriage and family since time immemorial and the worst thing government ever did was to mess with it.<br /><br />R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-88335168557514855332009-08-03T04:32:37.718-04:002009-08-03T04:32:37.718-04:00Virago says: "it was the lure of the green ca...Virago says: "it was the lure of the green card that got her to marry you in the first place. Your kidding yourself, if you think otherwise."<br /><br />One of the cutest myths in modern times is the notion of free or "soulmate" love. Love that isn't based upon dingy practicalities or shallow notions of marrying for money or looks.<br /><br />But the fact of the matter is, Virago, that most modern women are more shallow than any golddigger of the past. You want mo' money from the workplace and then try to either go for good looking bad boys or wealthy sugar daddies or ideally both. When sitting around waiting for one to ride up on a white horse doesn't pan out,you take it out on "men" for being loser jerks. <br /><br />In the long run, though, true love, per say, really is based upon practicalities and providing each other with things they want and more importantly, need. All men have to provide something to get a woman to love them whether it's a green card or at least a reliable income so she can raise children. That's just the way it is. Some things will never change...<br /><br />You failed to notice or address my point that most women expect men to "buy" them and that you don't hold the women accountable for their side of this behavior. It takes two to tango. Why should men feel ashamed for engaging in behavior that women crave of them? <br /><br />And yes, foreign women do turn heads and provide men what they want: attractive women who appreciate and provide for them in a traditional way in reciprocation for what the men are expected to provide as breadwinners. In other words, they treat men FAIR. You define this as abuse which says a lot: You think men who don't earn a lot of money and give it to women are deadbeats and if they do earn the money, they're oppressors to be targeted for reverse discrimination. At least with sexist men, we're not contradictory or paradoxical.<br /><br />Good luck watching Sex and the City reruns alone. I'm sure "Mr. Big" is waiting out there with a limo for you because he loves you "just as you are."PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-48181488896240734702009-08-03T04:16:14.233-04:002009-08-03T04:16:14.233-04:00Nice story, Virago, but I call BS. I can't im...Nice story, Virago, but I call BS. I can't imagine you merely THREATENING a vile co-worker with sexual harassment or not turning him in to the authorities if you had suspicions of him abusing his wife. In addition, these "rumors" don't make sense. How would someone know such distasteful, private things? Oh, wait, I think I know the source of the "rumor!" It's clear you made up a composite of different men you know and stereotypes to create this story (mostly the latter). This becomes clear when you claim that he told you he wanted a "real" woman rather than someone who could barely speak English. This is something YOU would say. It's a rather ugly stereotype that says more about it's holder than the recipient. <br /><br />AND... you STILL haven't addressed my main counterpoint: You don't have men standing _in line_ to buy YOU.PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-53815639125354397802009-08-03T02:12:26.257-04:002009-08-03T02:12:26.257-04:00"How am I "buying" a woman if the s..."How am I "buying" a woman if the state is giving her the green card?"<br /><br />And the state is giving the green card because she's married to YOU after you probably spent thousands of dollars to some mail order bride company. And even if you didn't, it was the lure of the green card that got her to marry you in the first place. Your kidding yourself, if you think otherwise.<br /><br />"And you're missing the main point: Men aren't standing in line to buy YOU because of your personality and charm."<br /><br />Well, I'll say this much. I have a male co-worker who asked me out several times. I turned him down because he made my skin crawl, but I couldn't say why exactly. He seemed nice enough. He wasn't bad looking, and he made good money. However, at an employee dinner, I found out why. This guy was a big sexist jerk. He was drunk and running down women in general and American women in particular. He employed every sexist stereotype about women that could be imagined-basically, he sounded like YOU. He also loved to go overseas on business trips and pick up prostitutes in brothels. In one breathe, he was talking about geting a mail order bride from you guessed it-the Ukraine because he said the mail order bride agency promised him a "traditional" woman. At the same time, this pig cornered me in the coat rack room and tried to tell me how I was missing out on not dating him. I could taste the bile in my throat that's for sure. Anyway, he ends up marrying 25 year old "Aneta" (a full 15 years younger) from the Ukraine. All we heard about was how gorgeous she was, and what American women lacked compared to this girl. A male co-worker told me that this guy had a picture on his desk of this girl, and he said I just absolutely had to see it because the resemblance to me was uncanny. I thought, "yeah, right", but I went and looked at the picture. My mouth fell open, and I really got a creepy feeling. The girl looked just like me that it was surreal. She had the same build as me, same red hair, same green eyes. And btw, being married to some beautiful girl from the Ukraine didn't stop this pig from hitting on me whenever he got the chance. He was always telling me that I should go out with him because he wanted a real woman after being married to someone who can barely speak english. I threatened him with a sexual harassment law suit if he didn't leave me alone and that seemed to work. Anyway, rumour has it that this guy is abusive to this poor girl and threatens her with deportation all the time. And this was told to me by male co-workers who hang out with this guy after work. So, Polish Knight, I don't care if there isn't a line of men waiting to buy me for my "personality and charm" (though that didn't stop at least one guy from getting a Ukraine girl that resembles me). I've seen the kind of men who are lining up to buy women from the Ukraine, and I'm not envious.viragonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-64379611382418593572009-08-02T03:13:09.141-04:002009-08-02T03:13:09.141-04:00NYMOM declares: Women deciding whether kids are bo...NYMOM declares: Women deciding whether kids are born or not is AFTER THE FACT...simple biological factoid..."<br /><br />NYMOM, in many ways I appreciate your honesty even if it's unintentional. You've just admitted that women decide whether to allow her child to be born or... (without saying so directly), NOT. (Meaning she'll kill 'em in the womb.)<br /><br />It makes the allegations against the Patriarchy pale by comparison. Your philosophy treats children as chattel to be rescued by society in her care via the welfare state or "minimum income". On the other hand, the Patriarchy expected men to support and protect their families. <br /><br />"Walk a mile in my shoes, you'll stumble in my footsteps" -- Depeche ModePolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-79075209536982796162009-08-02T03:07:22.073-04:002009-08-02T03:07:22.073-04:00Virago, you really make it too easy, don't you...Virago, you really make it too easy, don't you?<br /><br />How am I "buying" a woman if the state is giving her the green card? If anything, you're implying that I'm smarter than the local suckers who put more on the line for less. And you're missing the main point: Men aren't standing in line to buy YOU because of your personality and charm.<br /><br />The shaming ploy that men "buy" women is amusing because it's kind of like a prostitute insulting her clients as the kind of men who "buy" women. Nearly all women's identity is tied to men "buying" them. It's like Groucho's line about not wanting to be a member of a club that would have him...PolishKnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740194441387995674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-86608836571533443582009-07-31T12:09:15.980-04:002009-07-31T12:09:15.980-04:00"Well I hate to point out the obvious but a m..."Well I hate to point out the obvious but a man can cut down on the 'tom-cating' around and that would cut out about 99.9% of the problem..."<br /><br />Well, I'm completely favor of less tom-catting of course. But...<br /><br />(drum roll please)<br /><br />"Nature" fails NY yet again. <br /><br />Her plan is for us to stifle our naturally hard-wired "instincts" toward widespread procreation in order to contain women's "maternal instincts" for them. Instincts which they appear powerless to control on their own, of course.<br /><br />What happened to all the sanctimonious gloating about women choosing "quite simply not to bear any," whether before OR after the fact, and telling us to get a dog?<br /><br />Now we're supposed make that decision for you too?<br /><br />Like PK said, any slip-shod female behavior is acceptable to you all but you require sainthood of us.<br /><br />Are you or aren't you rational beings with freedom of choice?<br /><br />There's plenty of blame to go around for both men and women but the big question is what would effectively change the situation. <br /><br />Ninety percent or more of males in the "hood" could suddenly go completely celibate and the women would still breed with the remnant. And catfight with each other over the right to do so.<br /><br />We'd be hearing the same whining as now, only louder: "We can't find any decent guys to have babies with. We have to use these..."<br /><br />Unless they knew the resulting babies wouldn't be publicly subsidized. Then either a marriage or a steady job would have to come first. <br /><br />The illegitimacy crisis was created by government policy influencing women's behavior. Sorry to say, could only be ended the same way.<br /><br />R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-83071890609015660372009-07-30T23:11:15.782-04:002009-07-30T23:11:15.782-04:00"Well I hate to point out the obvious but a m..."Well I hate to point out the obvious but a man can cut down on the 'tom-cating' around and that would cut out about 99.9% of the problem...that way even if he did get a girl pregnant it would be one he was in a serious relationship with as opposed to knocking someone up that he doesn't even know her last name...<br /><br />What about that option???<br /><br /><br />Women deciding whether kids are born or not is AFTER THE FACT...simple biological factoid"<br /><br />Exactly which has been my point throughout much of this thread. Nice to see someone gets it.viragonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-23935451964997171372009-07-30T17:26:28.976-04:002009-07-30T17:26:28.976-04:00Women deciding whether kids are born or not is AFT...Women deciding whether kids are born or not is AFTER THE FACT...simple biological factoid...NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-60520866648140724022009-07-30T17:25:35.103-04:002009-07-30T17:25:35.103-04:00Well I hate to point out the obvious but a man can...Well I hate to point out the obvious but a man can cut down on the 'tom-cating' around and that would cut out about 99.9% of the problem...that way even if he did get a girl pregnant it would be one he was in a serious relationship with as opposed to knocking someone up that he doesn't even know her last name...<br /><br />What about that option???NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-14689815703826725562009-07-30T16:49:56.843-04:002009-07-30T16:49:56.843-04:00"Clearly this whole scenario that you've ..."Clearly this whole scenario that you've just outlined is one that favors the longer-time line of men..."<br /><br />Well, maybe this scenario would result in fewer children being born among the lower classes at least.<br /><br />But where is it written that we need to financially guarantee every woman's ability to have kids whether or not she can afford them or offer them a decent future?<br /><br />Isn't it better to aim for everyone being able to support their kids before they have them?<br /><br />"You always seem ready to see the wrongness of what women do but never look to the responsibility of your brothers in instigating these situations."<br /><br />Oh I know my "brothers" could do a heluva lot better job of avoiding pregnancies and picking women more carefully than they currently do.<br /><br />Which is why my heart doesn't bleed much when my brothers get stuck with child support for illegitimate kids, or when they take up with women with bad track records and then find themselves in the same boat with the ex(es).<br /><br />I have little patience with stupid.<br /><br />But didn't you just tell us all about how you women are the ones who decide whether kids are born?<br /><br />You've already managed to impose marriage-like obligations upon us and help yourselves to our resources absent any consent whatsoever on our part. So what's left?<br /><br />If we want less illegitimacy and its accompanying social costs then remedial efforts, if any, now have to be directed towards YOUR behaviors.<br /><br />Much like PK's cats.<br /><br />R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com