tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post116152182462491664..comments2023-07-28T07:44:40.802-04:00Comments on Women as Mothers: Fatherhood Programs--Nothing but Propaganda Tools Against MothersNYMOMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1162852864645950402006-11-06T17:41:00.000-05:002006-11-06T17:41:00.000-05:00Actually, DNA is the only thaing natural about fat...Actually, DNA is the only thaing natural about fatherhood. The rest is all legal BS that doesn't PROVE or even CARE who the ACTUAL BIOLOGICAL daddy is!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1162555784462755942006-11-03T07:09:00.000-05:002006-11-03T07:09:00.000-05:00I hardly think that a widespread problem in spite ...I hardly think that a widespread problem in spite of the propaganda put out by men that it is. Actually it's already been debunked as being just another urban myth...and there is a post about just that issue further into my blog,<BR/><BR/>Men are just shooting themselves in the foot with this constant focus on DNA testing...as you are making it clearer to people that men only get rights to children through artificial, social-constructed, man-made laws, nothing natural, right or good about it...NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1162413531754304012006-11-01T15:38:00.000-05:002006-11-01T15:38:00.000-05:00Who the hell wants "rights" (financial obligations...Who the hell wants "rights" (financial obligations) to a baby that ain't even theirs? Theose aren't rights, they're falsified liabilities.<BR/><BR/>That a lotta slvts won't be able to pin on false paternities anymore once they start DNA testing more...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1162413372964863952006-11-01T15:36:00.000-05:002006-11-01T15:36:00.000-05:00DNA tests take a few weeks NOW with only a small p...<I>DNA tests take a few weeks NOW with only a small percentage of men doing it. But once it's mandated for every birth...look for the waiting period to triple..</I><BR/><BR/>Wrong. The market will expand to meet the demand. Duh.<BR/><BR/>Why are you so afraid of DNA testing, anyways? Afraid your kids might be exposed as bastards? If you got nothing to hide, what are you afraid of? Seems the only women against this are the ones who have been boning the pizza boy...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1162337105220627582006-10-31T18:25:00.000-05:002006-10-31T18:25:00.000-05:00I just erased that comment as I warned you people ...I just erased that comment as I warned you people I would not tolerate anymore vile language directed at either me or other posters.<BR/><BR/>Silverside is correct. It will turn out to be nothing but a boondoogle for the medical testing labs and will cause married men to have to wait MONTHS to get any legal rights to their children. Unlike what happens now where fathers who are married automatically get their rights at birth, same as mothers. <BR/><BR/>Also remember DNA tests take a few weeks NOW with only a small percentage of men doing it. But once it's mandated for every birth...look for the waiting period to triple...it will become like a driver's license...You'll wait for months to get it mailed to you and have no rights to your children until you get it...<BR/><BR/>Why should married men have to put up with this because never-married men are so irresponsible???? That's my question.NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1162263395186346872006-10-30T21:56:00.000-05:002006-10-30T21:56:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1162253789884369962006-10-30T19:16:00.000-05:002006-10-30T19:16:00.000-05:00DNA tests for every childbirth...what a boondoggle...DNA tests for every childbirth...what a boondoggle this would be. Time to buy stock in medical testing companies. Watch the costs of medical care skyrocket. If you trust your woman so little all ready, maybe you should just head out now....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1162230901885576442006-10-30T12:55:00.000-05:002006-10-30T12:55:00.000-05:00I disagree. The rights to the bay should default ...I disagree. The rights to the bay should default to the alleged father, while the DNA tests are still pending. But, he should NOT be liable after that point if he turns out NOT to be the father. And since 10% of kids these days are of false paternity due to how utterly slutty women are - DNA paternity tests should all be MANDATORY for all deliveries! Waiting a few weeks in limbo is NOTHING compared to spending hundreds of thousands of dollars over decades cuckolding for a bastard baby that ain't even yours!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161981876460216892006-10-27T16:44:00.000-04:002006-10-27T16:44:00.000-04:00Actually married men do themselves no favors when ...Actually married men do themselves no favors when they support the rights of never-married recreational sperm donors. You eventually will wind up with less rights then you have now if you join their camp...<BR/><BR/>LESS RIGHTS.<BR/><BR/>Since joining up with their cause will mean every man will have to have a DNA test before he has any rights, whether he is married or not...and that could take months when every man has to do it...whereas right now a married man has rights immediately, right from the hospital...a never-married one must wait for a DNA test to come back in order to get rights.<BR/><BR/>So think about that...NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161981667042684602006-10-27T16:41:00.000-04:002006-10-27T16:41:00.000-04:00Well it might have been the Eternal Bachelor that ...Well it might have been the Eternal Bachelor that time, but you have done it other times.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I never said or implied married men who have children were recreational sperm donors as you well know...it's a totally different issue with never-married fathers.<BR/><BR/>I should think that married men would not wish to support them...NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161981473705564932006-10-27T16:37:00.000-04:002006-10-27T16:37:00.000-04:00You're right dlunch...I was on another site for a ...You're right dlunch...I was on another site for a whole, Desicritics, which was an Indian website discussing feminism. AND they are just now starting down the path the west has already traveled with the whole gender neutral mothers and children business.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully they will learn from our mistakes. But only time can tell.NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161981193452557032006-10-27T16:33:00.000-04:002006-10-27T16:33:00.000-04:00I like the analysis silver, somehow I believe that...I like the analysis silver, somehow I believe that it should be just as much responsibility on the woman as the man when it comes to this subject. Why does the man have to be the donor, the responsible if she's prego, but the woman isn't?BloggerNogginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12503834520903753530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161976013296250522006-10-27T15:06:00.000-04:002006-10-27T15:06:00.000-04:00It's ridiculous to pretend that the situations are...It's ridiculous to pretend that the situations are symetrical. Going through a pregnancy (having gone through a couple of problematic ones myself) is a lot more than being a recreational egg donor.<BR/><BR/>By basic biological facts the contributtions of males and females are by no means the same or even really comparable.<BR/><BR/>If it were anything but reproduction, comparing the two wouldn't even be considered. It would be like some drunk cornering you at a party and telling you some story. The story intrigues you. For three years, you work it into a novel between your two jobs. You take a couple of writing courses where you get encouragement. Finally, you start submitting to agents. On your 41st try, someone takes you on. On his/her 19th try, they find a publisher. You rewrite a couple of sections to please the publisher. Finally it's published. To the great astonishment and joy of your publisher and agent, your book is a hit. You get on Oprah. You start paying back the credit card bills you jacked up while writing your book. The drunk sees you on TV while at the Union Mission. He wants 50% of the money, because he "donated" the idea. Took 5 minutes of his time.<BR/><BR/>The guy would be laughed out of court. <BR/><BR/>But not if he got you pregnant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161958296774267982006-10-27T10:11:00.000-04:002006-10-27T10:11:00.000-04:00Aye aye aye, I'm not angry Silver. I just feel in ...Aye aye aye, I'm not angry Silver. I just feel in my heart that if I'm considered a recreational sperm donor then a woman that is single and wants have recreational sex as well the I think it's only fair that those women get the same fair treatment. If a man gets a recreational egg donor pregnant then I think he's also got the right to go for custody. BTW nymom, I don't post anon, if you waive your pointer over the blue link you will see it belongs to the eternalbachelor.BloggerNogginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12503834520903753530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161956125515120282006-10-27T09:35:00.000-04:002006-10-27T09:35:00.000-04:00Some feminist in other countries seem to take on t...Some feminist in other countries seem to take on these issues more and have some impact because of it. There are a few that wrote about it in the US like Fineman,(the Neutered mother).I think maybe arguements about essentialism occupied feminist discussion of motherhood for a long time. But there needs to be advocacy, and for someone to be there to make the point that whatever position they might have about those kinds of ideological arguments, real women are still having children and caring for them. Too bad that Trish is giving it up but maybe there will be others to take up the space she is leaving behind. Too bad about your horrible trolls,if the way they talk is an indication of their fathering ability that is truly frightening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161935500534749072006-10-27T03:51:00.000-04:002006-10-27T03:51:00.000-04:00Thanks dlunch.Earlier this year Trish's site kind ...Thanks dlunch.<BR/><BR/>Earlier this year Trish's site kind of just closed down as she said she was focusing on other commitments these days. <BR/><BR/>Too bad as she was a good advocate for certain motherhood issues. There certainly aren't many. <BR/><BR/>As motherhood issues are very far down on even feminists' list of priorities.NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161918348243822132006-10-26T23:05:00.000-04:002006-10-26T23:05:00.000-04:00Hello NYMOM. I used to see your comments over at T...Hello NYMOM. I used to see your comments over at Trish Wilson's blog, so I glad to find you here. I think it is great to have a no holes barred advocate for mothers, it is a much needed service. I will be lurking every so often.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161856757207863182006-10-26T05:59:00.000-04:002006-10-26T05:59:00.000-04:00I believe the 'anonymous said' commenter is you bl...I believe the 'anonymous said' commenter is you blogger noggin...<BR/><BR/>So don't try to hide behind an anonymous handle.<BR/><BR/>Actually you are lucky woman are not all that self-absorbed, otherwise we would have been extinct centuries ago. Although when I see some mother has produced your ilk, I sometimes wonder if we might have been better off...NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161803518010273642006-10-25T15:11:00.000-04:002006-10-25T15:11:00.000-04:00Gee, except custodial fathers abuse at even higher...Gee, except custodial fathers abuse at even higher rates than custodia mothers. All that crazy anger from people who can't spell, you know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161798303662849362006-10-25T13:45:00.000-04:002006-10-25T13:45:00.000-04:00GIVE FATHERS THEIR DAMN RIGHTS AND SAVE MORE BABIE...GIVE FATHERS THEIR DAMN RIGHTS AND <A HREF="http://eternalbachelor.blogspot.com/2006/10/another-woman-freed-despite-admitting.html" REL="nofollow">SAVE MORE BABIES FROM BEING KILLED BY CRUEL, SELF-ABSORBED, CRAZY FVCKIN' WOMEN</A>!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161729028080834472006-10-24T18:30:00.000-04:002006-10-24T18:30:00.000-04:00As usual your stupidity is amazing as there is no ...As usual your stupidity is amazing as there is no such thing as a 'free baby' unless a mother has died or had her rights terminated.<BR/><BR/>All mothers, whether married or single, go through the same process in order to attain motherhood. Never-married men, on the other hand do not. They contribute absolutely nothing to bringing a child into this world, and giving them rights makes a travesty of legal parenthood...<BR/><BR/>Actually since maternal grandmothers and biological fathers share the same amount of genetic material with children then a totally DNA construction of parenthood would give both never-married biological fathers and maternal grandmothers the exact same rights. Which should be lesser then a mother's rights. That's how it should be handled...<BR/><BR/>Mothers should be first amongst equals legally with maternal grandmothers and never-married biological fathers coming in second...ONLY a married father should have the same legal rights as a mother.<BR/><BR/>As women can play that DNA game too.NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161704807455489962006-10-24T11:46:00.000-04:002006-10-24T11:46:00.000-04:00ntmom said, "30% of the pool of custodial fathers ...ntmom said, "30% of the pool of custodial fathers is composed of these never-married, recreational sperm donors."<BR/><BR/>What about the % of single mothers that use their vagina for the recreational sperm donor? <BR/><BR/>I thought sex was a mutual act? <BR/><BR/>Wouldn't she be labeled as a recreation egg donor as well? <BR/><BR/>If women (like yourself) in this case label single fathers as 30% sperm donors then I think it's fair to say at least 30% (give or take) of single mothers donate their egg, therefore, leaving the mother in jeapordy of the possiblity of losing custody because it's a "free baby", call it as you will.BloggerNogginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12503834520903753530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161703980388712712006-10-24T11:33:00.000-04:002006-10-24T11:33:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.BloggerNogginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12503834520903753530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161630787783551322006-10-23T15:13:00.000-04:002006-10-23T15:13:00.000-04:00Exactly why I did it...as much propaganda is being...Exactly why I did it...as much propaganda is being put out and about regarding these programs when they are really nothing but a group of instigators inciting men to start custody wars with mothers...NYMOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05762350054432716749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8740475.post-1161627378708468112006-10-23T14:16:00.000-04:002006-10-23T14:16:00.000-04:00Great post. It is so important for women to get a ...Great post. It is so important for women to get a clear-eyed, non-sentimental assessment of what the fatherhood programs are all about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com